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2006/12/11, 11:51 AM
I think thats how you spell the guys name. When my mom went to the doctor about 2 months ago, he told her to do something along the lines of this guy's diet. Making veggies,carbs your "main course" and treating meat(including chicken and fish) as a "condiment" to your meal.
When she and I were talking on Saturday, she has basically taken her Dr's instructions to the extreme, and has been eating no meat. I know that living a Vegetarian lifestyle can be very healthy, but I also know that there are combinations of foods that go together to create a whole protien, and I don't think she know's what they are, let alone is using them. Does someone have a list of them I could pass along to her??
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2006/12/11, 11:56 AM
I'm sure Ron has something - If I recall, his wife is a diabetic.
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2006/12/11, 12:05 PM
For sure get your EFA's...this and other studies back up the lack of W3's in a vegetarian's diet. Also I would suggest your fat soluble vitamins, CO Q 10, Vit. A, E, etc.
Am J Clin Nutr. 2003 Sep;78(3 Suppl):640S-646S. Links
Achieving optimal essential fatty acid status in vegetarians: current knowledge and practical implications.
* Davis BC,
* Kris-Etherton PM.
Department of Nutritional Sciences, Pennsylvania State University, University Park, PA 16802, USA. pmk3@psu.edu
Although vegetarian diets are generally lower in total fat, saturated fat, and cholesterol than are nonvegetarian diets, they provide comparable levels of essential fatty acids. Vegetarian, especially vegan, diets are relatively low in alpha-linolenic acid (ALA) compared with linoleic acid (LA) and provide little, if any, eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA). Clinical studies suggest that tissue levels of long-chain n-3 fatty acids are depressed in vegetarians, particularly in vegans. n-3 Fatty acids have numerous physiologic benefits, including potent cardioprotective effects. These effects have been demonstrated for ALA as well as EPA and DHA, although the response is generally less for ALA than for EPA and DHA. Conversion of ALA by the body to the more active longer-chain metabolites is inefficient: < 5-10% for EPA and 2-5% for DHA. Thus, total n-3 requirements may be higher for vegetarians than for nonvegetarians, as vegetarians must rely on conversion of ALA to EPA and DHA. Because of the beneficial effects of n-3 fatty acids, it is recommended that vegetarians make dietary changes to optimize n-3 fatty acid status.
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Maximus from Gladiator....Strength and Honor!
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2006/12/11, 12:40 PM
OK, I was not going to go into this...but guess I will. I have very mixed feelings on vegetarian diets. But much depends on if you are full vegan or simply vegetarian.
bottom line, many claim a vegetarian diet healthier, but just as you can have a badly set up regular diet, so too can you have a badly set up vegetarian diet.
This brings me back to what type of vegetarian..full vegan or simple vegetarian that is allowed fish, eggs, etc.
To me the problem arises here as with any 'extreme' diet, when eliminating an entire food group, there is normally some problems that arise...as in my above post.
Positive energy balance is also an issue, as most vegetarian sources are not very conducive to energy...i.e...vegetables, etc.
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2006/12/11, 12:52 PM
I told her that she had taken what her Dr. told her to the extreme. What he had originally told her was to make the veggies and whatnot the focus, and make the amounts of meat smaller. He never told her to cut meat out all together. She is still eating cheese and eggs, but no actual meat to speak of.
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2006/12/11, 02:25 PM
To me any diet borders on 'extreme' when you entirely eliminate a food group. (that is not to say in some cases warranted for short periods of time..i.e..health reasons such as extreme overweight for instance).
But for a normal healthy individual to do this simply to look more like an 'ideal' they have they probably will never attain is extreme.
I am a big fan of being isocaloric, this makes so much more sense. In this way the body gets a balance of what it needs, and can optimize them for what it needs, and it just hums along fine providing the caloric intake is reasonable. For dieting, simply reduce your calories in a smart manner, staying isocaloric.
Here are some examples of vegetarian food combining for protein...
Legumes(beans, peanuts, lentils) with Grains(breads, cereals), or if she is doing milk any milk product.
3 oz. of tofu and 1 cup rice. 1/2 cup beans and 6 tortillas. Spinach and cabbage actually supply a decent amount of amino acids while low in calories. You get the picture.
In large quantities it really makes no difference as quantity can equate to quality(as far as enough protein). For instance, the average steer if memory serves correctly eats 16 lbs. of grain and soybean for every lb. of meat produced for human consumption.
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Maximus from Gladiator....Strength and Honor!
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2006/12/15, 11:29 AM
i've heard that quinoa is the only grain which is has all the essential amino acids (i.e a complete protein)
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2006/12/15, 11:55 AM
Amaranth is also good.
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Maximus from Gladiator....Strength and Honor!
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