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2005/01/22, 08:31 PM
I was out buying my protein and i've been hearing alot about muscle milk protein by cytosport, so i picked some up along with my regular protein nectar. So what's the deal with this muscle milk protein. from the little taste i had it has an awesome taste, i also noticed it is pretty caloric dense with 300 something with a good amount of fat at around 18g and 12g of carbs. So is this an ideal PWO shake or to have in the morning or before bed, due the amount of calories i'm probably going to stick to 1 scoop....just looking for some insight and others thought about this product and exactly what it is.
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2005/01/22, 08:48 PM
Not pwo.....ideal before bed. The fats are made up primarily of MCT's, much harder to store and more apt to be utilized for energy.
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2005/01/22, 08:53 PM
this stuff does taste amazing. i've been hooked on the mocha joe flavor forever. i stick to one scoop unless i'm actually using it as a meal replacement, and then i'll use the full serving.
there are a lot of fats but i believe a good amount of them are medium-chain triglycerides, which are said to be burned readily as fuel and not stored. i don't use the stuff post-workout, but i usually drink a scoop in water a little bit before i work out. i actually mix a scoop of the muscle milk with a scoop of pro complex after i do my cardio. i'm not sure if it's a good idea or not, but i've been cutting well so i've kept it up.
anyway, i'm a fan of this stuff, and the flavor i use has caffine in it so it gives me a little energy boost as well.
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2005/01/22, 08:54 PM
ok so i basically just repeated half of what ron said. i love simultaneous posting.
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2005/01/22, 08:56 PM
Good point with post cardio....I also do this.
We were typing at virtually the same time! 5 seconds difference!! Beat you!! :laugh:
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Quoting from howdiekat:
this stuff does taste amazing. i've been hooked on the mocha joe flavor forever. i stick to one scoop unless i'm actually using it as a meal replacement, and then i'll use the full serving.
there are a lot of fats but i believe a good amount of them are medium-chain triglycerides, which are said to be burned readily as fuel and not stored. i don't use the stuff post-workout, but i usually drink a scoop in water a little bit before i work out. i actually mix a scoop of the muscle milk with a scoop of pro complex after i do my cardio. i'm not sure if it's a good idea or not, but i've been cutting well so i've kept it up.
anyway, i'm a fan of this stuff, and the flavor i use has caffine in it so it gives me a little energy boost as well.
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2005/01/22, 10:09 PM
you are too quick for me :big_smile:
it's good to hear that the post-cardio is actually beneficial. i was trying to apply some of what i've read -- i'm glad i wasn't wrong!
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Good point with post cardio....I also do this.
We were typing at virtually the same time! 5 seconds difference!! Beat you!! :laugh:
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2005/01/22, 11:24 PM
yeah they had a ton of flavours i couldn't really dedcide on one so i just picked out cookies 'n cream very tatsy, the creme burlee sounded good to is that like a vanilla flavour? I didn't see the mocha joe flavour or i would have gone with that. hmmm could i substitute this stuff instead of my chicken for my PWO meal?
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2005/01/23, 05:24 PM
i've been wanting to try the creme brulee. i think i'm going to have to order it though because i can't find it here for a good price.
i don't think i'd sub this for whole food in the pwo meal. that's the one time i eat that i won't willingly use an mrp. i'm just not a fan of drinking a meal after drinking my pwo shake.
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i wish you ill, ice-t.
margarine is a liar who announces, "i am butter!"
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2005/01/23, 10:34 PM
how much do you pay for a tub of muscle milk? Do you have a Vitamin shoppe in Houstin? They usually have pretty good prices i think a 2lbs. tub was like $29, plus they have a point system for the amount of money you spend then at the end of the year all your points add up to a gift certificate, i'm getting one for $30 which is a free tub of protein and that wasn;t even added up for a full year i'm guessing my next certificate will be for $60 or more......anyway this is the best tasting protein i've ever had, i'd say it's up there with nectar except a different line of flavours.
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2005/01/23, 10:38 PM
i got a 2lb tub for $23 at this independently owned store, but they don't have creme brulee. there's a vitamin shoppe about 5 miles from my house -- i'll check it out -- the point system sounds like a good deal. if i get my hands on some creme brulee i'll let you know how it tastes.
p.s. sorry about the steelers. at least the team has a bright future with big ben under center.
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i wish you ill, ice-t.
margarine is a liar who announces, "i am butter!"
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2005/01/24, 01:41 PM
http://www.vitaglo.com/f10355.html
Free shipping if you place a $50 order.
P.S.: That Pats made me a very happy guy. Go Browns
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2005/01/24, 07:08 PM
Try the chocolate peanut butter...good stuff.
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yeah they had a ton of flavours i couldn't really dedcide on one so i just picked out cookies 'n cream very tatsy, the creme burlee sounded good to is that like a vanilla flavour? I didn't see the mocha joe flavour or i would have gone with that. hmmm could i substitute this stuff instead of my chicken for my PWO meal?
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2005/01/26, 10:45 PM
did they did they improve the flavor of the supplement? I tried it about 2-3 years ago and I had to chug it... and it had some horrible after taste...
Try Pro-rated Bovarian Chocolate or Alpine Vanilla and tell me what you think...I think it's taste is trully amazing and it's very inexpensive...19.87$ at costco for 90 servings with 20g protein and almost no fat/carbs....
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2005/01/27, 08:43 PM
i noticed an aftertaste when i bought the cookies n' cream, but it wasn't unbearable. i don't have an aftertaste problem with the mocha joe though.
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excuses are really good for making you fat.
margarine is a liar who announces, "i am butter!"
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2005/01/28, 02:11 AM
really howdie?..cookies n' cream is the only one of tried and i think it tastes awesome but i can't wait to get my hands on the crem burlee or the mocha joe flav., vitaglo was having a deal the other day $19.95 a jug. menace you should give it another try, i've just recently heard about this protein so maybe there's a possibility they changed it or it's a different kind than you had previously.
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2005/01/28, 02:25 AM
hmmm, $19.95, not bad. i'm not a fan of the ordering but i might make an exception for this...
i liked cookies n' cream — i haven't tasted it in about a year so maybe some improvements have been made with the aftertaste.
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excuses are really good for making you fat.
margarine is a liar who announces, "i am butter!"
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2005/02/06, 12:09 AM
hey howdie i just got the mocha joe flavor and on the label it says to try it hot...have you ever had it hot?...is this stuff safe to heat and cook with just like optimum whey protein?
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2005/02/06, 12:51 AM
i have been meaning to try it hot for the past 18 months and i keep wussing out. i've thought about the whole denaturing factor though and i can't figure out if the any whey rules apply to this. i think i will contact cytosport and find out.
by the way, how do you like it?
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if you get me started on quentin tarantino films, chances are you won't be able to shut me up.
excuses are really good for making you fat.
margarine is a liar who announces, "i am butter!"
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2005/02/06, 12:53 PM
It's delicious, i wanna know how they make it taste so great. This stuff must fly off the shelf. I'm gonna try the peanut flavor next. Vitamin shoppe is having a sale on muscle milk for the month of february. i believe there $24 a tub. If go check out the points reward system as well.
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2005/02/06, 02:30 PM
You should like the Chocolate Peanut Butter flavor. It is pretty tasty I think. In milk it is really good. I use the Hoods Milk beverage.
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2005/02/06, 02:50 PM
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Thats what the guy at the store said, so i will def. be trying that next
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2005/02/06, 03:41 PM
i was traumatized by the chocolate peanut butter isopure mrp, so since then i've been afraid to try anything chocolate peanut butter for fear it will taste like a cross between shredded lettuce and nutter butters. as good as muscle milk is though, i'm sure it will not have the same nastiness. i'm going to check out vitamin shoppe and see what they've got. thanks for the heads up on the sale justin :)
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if you get me started on quentin tarantino films, chances are you won't be able to shut me up.
excuses are really good for making you fat.
margarine is a liar who announces, "i am butter!"
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2005/02/06, 03:51 PM
Howdie, check out vitaglo. $19.95 a jug. http://search.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/nsearch?catalog=vitaglo&query=Muscle+milk&x=15&y=14
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2005/02/07, 01:26 AM
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Howdie, check out vitaglo. $19.95 a jug. http://search.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/nsearch?catalog=vitaglo&query=Muscle+milk&x=15&y=14
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I was gonna order from there but after sales tax and shipping cost it was same price as vitamine shop so i decided to just go down the street and buy it.
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2005/02/07, 11:26 AM
Justin, buy anything else with it and shipping is free. All orders over 50 dollars are free shipping.
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2005/02/07, 01:02 PM
hmmm, so i could get a chocolate peanut butter, a creme brulee and a mocha joe and it will be free shipping? that sounds like a nice deal, but do i really want 3 and do i need anything else...ah yes, glutamine. perhaps i will do vitaglo. thanks to both of you :)
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if you get me started on quentin tarantino films, chances are you won't be able to shut me up.
excuses are really good for making you fat.
margarine is a liar who announces, "i am butter!"
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2005/02/08, 10:34 PM
i was just thinking that muscle mile would probably make for some tasty home made protein bars, I'm gonna pick the peanut butter flavor up and make some with it. I was going to order from Vitaglo but they didn't have the glutamine i like nor did they have the ZMA pills by cydone that i like..other than that it's pretty good deal on the free shipping
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2005/02/08, 10:48 PM
Which ZMA are you talking about, the ZMASS chewables? If not, they have the other Cytodyne brand ZMA...http://www.vitaglo.com/f395178.html
(by the way, I believe Pinnacle owns Cytodyne now)
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2005/02/09, 12:24 AM
yeah i was talking about the chewable one's
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2005/02/10, 02:19 AM
Any chance this muscle milk is too good to be true, just like the detour protein bars, not claiming the correct number on the nutritional label?....just curious
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2005/02/10, 02:50 PM
Justin - the mocha Joe is really good whisked into a hot cup of coffee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:big_smile:
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2005/02/10, 03:58 PM
so the whey will not denature if it's heated up.
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2005/02/10, 08:32 PM
I don't think it will denature too much in coffee - add it after you brew.
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2005/02/10, 10:51 PM
As a rule, I never heat whey.
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2005/02/11, 12:54 AM
but on the tub it says to "try it hot". you can cook with a protein from On's optimum whey..right? Do you think they made safe to be heated up?
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2005/02/11, 01:01 AM
i'm going to call cytosport tomorrow and find out. why put the suggestion on the container if it's going to render your product useless? inquiring minds want to know.
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if you get me started on quentin tarantino films, chances are you won't be able to shut me up.
excuses are really good for making you fat.
margarine is a liar who announces, "i am butter!"
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2005/02/11, 02:11 AM
awesome howdie. let us know how it goes, hopefully they'll know what your talking about. I am curious to see how it goes.
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2005/02/11, 08:05 AM
Is this really much different than adding whey protein to oatmeal after cooking it?
I think the ON whey is made to withstand the denaturing effects of heat.
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2005/02/11, 12:19 PM
Yes, ON AnyWhey is formulated for cooking. I always as a rule keep normal whey away from heat....it may be ok, just my thing. I know Beverly has a recipe for Hot Chocolate, but I would never do it. I just believe safe and not sorry. Not saying it cannot be done.
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2005/02/11, 03:58 PM
I just bought the PB and choc flavor today! I am looking forward to having it as my bedtime snack!
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Spoon feeding in the long run teaches us nothing but the shape of the spoon.
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2005/02/11, 04:02 PM
I just bought this as well, it's pretty tasty i just used it to make some home made protein bars. I swear i can taste little tiny bits of peanuts in it.
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2005/02/11, 04:10 PM
Justin,
Do you have the recipe for hose home made protein bars posted on here anywhere. If so, let me know where I woould like to take a look at it.
Thanks,
Josh
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2005/02/11, 05:24 PM
yeah check the recipe thumb tac in the specific diets and nutrition forum. they're near the bottom, they are the non-cook ones, they tatse awesome I am having one now.:dumbbell:
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2005/02/11, 10:37 PM
MMM, it makes good pudding!
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2005/02/12, 01:42 PM
3 studies you may want to consider....
J Agric Food Chem. 2004 Jul 14;52(14):4465-71. Related Articles, Links
Heat-induced changes in the ultrasonic properties of whey proteins.
Corredig M, Verespej E, Dalgleish DG.
Department of Food Science, University of Guelph, Guelph, Ontario, Canada N1G 2W1. mcorredi@uoguelph.ca
The physical aggregation of commercial whey protein isolate (WPI) and purified beta-lactoglobulin was studied by ultrasound spectroscopy. Protein samples were dialyzed to achieve constant ionic strength backgrounds of 0.01 and 0.1 NaCl, and gelation was induced in situ at constant temperatures (from 50 to 75 degrees C) or with a temperature ramp from 20 to 85 degrees C. Changes in the ultrasonic properties were shown in the early stages of heating, at temperatures below those reported for protein denaturation. During heating, the relative ultrasound velocity (defined as the difference between sample velocity and reference velocity) decreased continuously with temperature, indicating a rearrangement of the hydration layer of the protein and an increase in compressibility of the protein shell. At temperatures <50 degrees C the ultrasonic attenuation decreased, and <65 degrees C both velocity and attenuation differentials showed increasing values. A sharp decrease in the relative velocity and an increase in the attenuation at 70 degrees C were indications of "classical" protein denaturation and the formation of a gel network. Values of attenuation were significantly different between samples prepared with 0.01 and 0.1 M NaCl, although no difference was shown in the overall ultrasonic behavior. WPI and beta-lactoglobulin showed similar ultrasonic properties during heating, but some differences were noted in the values of attenuation of WPI solutions, which may relate to a less homogeneous distribution of aggregates caused by the presence of alpha-lactalbumin and other minor proteins in WPI.
PMID: 15237953
J Dairy Res. 2004 Nov;71(4):480-8. Related Articles, Links
High pressure thermal denaturation kinetics of whey proteins.
Hinrichs J, Rademacher B.
Institute for Food Technology, Department of Animal Foodstuff Technology, University of Hohenheim, Garbenstr 21, D-70599 Stuttgart, Germany jh-lth@uni-hohenheim.de
Pressure processing of foodstuff has been applied to produce or modify proteinaceous gel structures. In real pressure processing the treatment is non-isothermal, due to the adiabatic nature of the process and the heat loss from the product to the vessel. In order to estimate the effect of pressurization on milk constituents pressure and temperature dependent kinetics were determined separately from each other. In a detailed kinetic study whey protein isolate was treated under isobaric (200 to 800 MPa) and isothermal conditions (-2 to 70 degrees C), and the resulting degree of denaturation of beta-lactoglobulin A and B and alpha-lactalbumin was analysed. Kinetic parameters of denaturation were estimated using a one step non-linear regression method which allowed a global fit of the whole data set. The isobaric isothermal denaturation of beta-lactoglobulin and alpha-lactalbumin was found to follow third and second order kinetics, respectively. Isothermal pressure denaturation of both beta-lactoglobulin fractions do not differ significantly and were characterized by an activation volume decreasing with increasing temperature from -10 to about -30 ml mol(-1), "which demonstrates that the denaturation rate is accelerated with increasing temperature". The activation energy of about 70 to 100 kJ mol(-1) obtained for beta-lactoglobulin A and B is not dependent to a great extent on the pressure which indicates that above 200 MPa denaturation rate is limited by the aggregation rate while pressure forces unfolding of the molecule.
PMID: 15605715
J Dairy Res. 2004 Aug;71(3):330-9. Related Articles, Links
The roles of disulphide and non-covalent bonding in the functional properties of heat-induced whey protein gels.
Havea P, Carr AJ, Creamer LK.
Fonterra Research Centre, Private Bag 11029, Palmerston North, New Zealand. palatasa.havea@fonterra.com
Heat-induced gelation (80 degrees C, 30 min or 85 degrees C, 60 min) of whey protein concentrate (WPC) solutions was studied using transmission electron microscopy (TEM), dynamic rheology and polyacrylamide gel electrophoresis (PAGE). The WPC solutions (150 g/kg, pH 6.9) were prepared by dispersing WPC powder in water (control), 10 g/kg sodium dodecyl sulphate (SDS) solution or 10 mM-dithiothreitol (DTT) solution. The WPC gels containing SDS were more translucent than the control gels, which were slightly more translucent than the gels containing DTT. TEM analyses showed that the SDS-gels had finer aggregate structure (approximately equal to 10 nm) than the control gels (approximately equal to 100 nm), whereas the DTT-gels had a more particulate structure (approximately equal to 200 to 300 nm). Dynamic rheology measurements showed that the control WPC gels had storage modulus (G) values (approximately equal to 13,500 Pa) that were approximately equal to 25 times higher than those of the SDS-gels (approximately equal to 550 Pa) and less than half those of the DTT-gels after cooling. Compression tests showed that the DTT-gels were more rigid and more brittle than the control gels, whereas the SDS-gels were softer and more rubbery than either the control gels or the DTT-gels. PAGE analyses of WPC gel samples revealed that the control WPC solutions heated at 85 degrees C for 10 min contained both disulphide bonds and non-covalent linkages. In both the SDS-solutions and the DTT-solutions, the denatured whey protein molecules were in the form of monomers or small aggregates. It is likely that, on more extended heating, more disulphide linkages were formed in the SDS-gels whereas more hydrophobic aggregates were formed in the DTT-gels. These results demonstrate that the properties of heat-induced WPC gels are strongly influenced by non-covalent bonding. Intermolecular disulphide bonds appeared to give the rubbery nature of heat-induced WPC gels whereas non-covalent bonds their rigidity and brittle texture.
PMID: 15354580
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2005/02/12, 03:23 PM
when i called cytosport they had already left for the weekend, so i e-mailed them. if i don't hear anything by monday afternoon i'll call them back and report what they have to say.
thanks for posting those articles, ron. i think now no matter what cytosport says, i will be hesitant to heat it.
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if you get me started on quentin tarantino films, chances are you won't be able to shut me up.
excuses are really good for making you fat.
margarine is a liar who announces, "i am butter!"
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2005/02/21, 03:02 PM
I just got some Muscle milk, but haven't used it yet. I guess what I'm reading is it's not good to use PWO, but is good for before bedtime. What is recommended for PWO and why not muscle milk???
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2005/02/21, 03:05 PM
PWO you want a whey isolate because it is the fastest aborbing protein which is what you want PWO along with simple carbs and some dextrose for an insulin spike, do a search at the bottom in the fitbuddy for more info
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2005/02/21, 03:23 PM
So why is muscle milk not good for PWO? It says it has whey protein in it. When do you recommend taking it?
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2005/02/21, 09:36 PM
it's not good pwo because the fat and casein protein in the mrp slows the absorption of the whey. before bed, pre-workout, and post-cardio days are when i like to use it.
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if you get me started on quentin tarantino films, chances are you won't be able to shut me up.
excuses are really good for making you fat.
margarine is a liar who announces, "i am butter!"
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