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2004/11/16, 11:56 AM
OK, first let me PLEASE ask that if you DONT have the expertiese, please dont bother responding and dont start bashing..this is for people who KNOW! I am NOT bashing anyone, just want some cold/hard facts and advice!
I took juice around 9 years ago, and made huge gains. Lifted heavy, low body fat, felt great (did it SMART..as smart as juicing goes..)and ripped a pec and through my damage/work schedual/life I didnt make it to the gym like I should have..and started putting on weight. Now anyone who has been pretty built and then got fat might understand..the mental damage was incredable! The more weight I gained, the more I got depressed and stayed away from the gym, and fatter I got. I am now 27%bf and I am appaled by it. I am back in the gym now (M/upper, T/lower body, W/off, Th/upper, F/lower, Sat/Sun off) and the muscle is comming back, but is there ANYTHING I can take to get some faster gains. I KNOW there is no magic pill, its hard work that makes the gains, but I need to see a bit faster gains for my mental motivation. I have friends on the needle, and getting it is never hard, but dammit I want to do this my way! Suppliments, I will try anything. I am on ON Protien 2x a day (2 scoops per shake) and eat pretty clean, so diet isnt a problem. Need something to give me energy, help my recovery time, give me some blast reserves, and help shed this fat!
Again, dont take offense, but I really dont want "information" from people who really dont have a clue. To many people on here respond to topics and I kinda have to laugh. There are a few who read what others who are very knowledgable post, and start thinking THEY know it..and their responses show as they always post the same thing. AGAIN, NOT bashing anyone, just want to hear from people who's body SHOWS they know what they are talking about (such as BB1, Asimmer, Rev8, etc..NOT saying they are the only ones). This is a delima I have been wracking my brain over..need a little guideance, help a brother out!!
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2004/11/16, 08:00 PM
LOL I will not even begin to touch this..I think you have posted this before...But i do have to ask what you think equals real knowledge? Some one that can lift but gets the gains you want through a needle, or someone like me who may not be the "cover model" look but knows my stuff? Just wondering?
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2004/11/16, 08:05 PM
Stop with the stories and go lift. Thats all I'm gonna say. Evidently you know what to do, so go do it, so what your a lil flabby? Go in there and do the best you can do.
What is it your wanting to hear form us?
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2004/11/16, 08:09 PM
also, huess yoru justgonna have to do it the old Greek way to lifting.......lift hard, eat, eat eat all natural. One of the slower ways but the most rewarding.
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2004/11/16, 09:36 PM
Stop the stories? THIS is what I ment by people who shouldnt respond! I did NOT say I wanted to take steroids again, just asked if anyone who knew weights and suppliments well a question. If you dont know what your talking about, dont respond is all I asked. So here is a simple favor..if you dont have a good answer to the question asked, please dont respond. I am not looking for bashing, or generic "eat healthy and stuff" crap, if you dont understand the question, please stay off my thread. There are a lot of people who are not satisfied with the old slow way, thats why so many companys break their ass to come out with new products to help further our bodys..suppliment companys with better products, weight companys with better machines, food companys with better alternatives. I am asking if anyone has alternatives..NOT steroids, those are easy to come by and use. What bugs me the most is how you respond, but obviously didnt read what I asked. So again, if you have any answers..be it links, products to look for, or companys you have found to carry products that seem to help you in real world situations, please let me know. If its to bash or talk crap or respond to something I did NOT ask..please take it somewhere else.
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2004/11/17, 06:21 AM
I still am not sure what you are looking for. Outside of roids there is nothing that will hwlp you get fast gains. Supplements will help you get gains but not any faster than eating healthy and lifting hard. Maybe part of your problem is that you needle buddies are clouding your mind that you need to be at 10% body fat right away? I am sure BB will weigh in as he is the bomb on supplements. I would also suggest that you do a search on here as this topic has been talked about a lot.
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2004/11/17, 12:24 PM
You said it your self theres no magical pill, creatine, l glutimen, bcaa's whey, yes will help. However your getting passed the point, your asking for somthing that isn't there? I'm nto bashing you just telling you, stop looking for a quick fix and go work out.
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2004/11/17, 01:12 PM
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Quoting from CodyGrizz:
There are a lot of people who are not satisfied with the old slow way, thats why so many companys break their ass to come out with new products to help further our bodys..suppliment companys with better products, weight companys with better machines, food companys with better alternatives. I am asking if anyone has alternatives..NOT steroids
The supplement companies break their asses to come out with new products in order to make money. Period. The newest and best machines still aren't that much better than the older machines if at all. Good old free weights which hit the stableizer muscles haven't changed in years. No new and improved supplements can touch good old fashion food for nutrition.
It's not what you want to hear Cody but its true. I've read alot on this and other sights about the money grubbing nature of the BB industry's magazines and many supplement companies. Some of it is shocking as to how far they go with totally bogus claims. I have just chosen to make it a lifestyle and become patient. At 51 gains are much more difficult than they were at your age. But they still come. I have tried to assess them less frequently for my sanity. If I measure progress daily, I can't see it. If I look at my lifting log from 6 months ago, it jumps off the page at me. Much easier on the old psyche.
I hope you find the thing you're hunting for. If you do, let us know but I haven't found any safe shortcuts.
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I drive way too fast to worry about cholesterol
Charlie
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2004/11/17, 01:32 PM
interesting:surprised:
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2004/11/17, 01:40 PM
Thanks to a email I recieved..I got the answer I needed and it was MOST helpful, and I see there ARE options. Big..I NEVER said I was looking for a fast/quick gain..I bust my ass in the gym, and we all seem to be looking for an edge, and if you are happy with where your at great..I never will be. I am not bashing anyone..nor am I promoting juice..I simply asked for people who know, what were options and I was glad to be provided with options. Thank you to those who helped, happy lifting all!!
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2004/11/17, 01:46 PM
Never said I was happy where I was but noticed the patronizing comment along with the disclaimer. It won't be difficult to refrain from attempting to help in the future. Have a really nice day. :big_smile:
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I drive way too fast to worry about cholesterol
Charlie
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2004/11/17, 04:46 PM
Charlie..just to clarify, wasnt directed at you, sorry if you took it like it was.
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2004/11/17, 05:21 PM
Question to Cody.....
Have you ever had your thyroid checked through blood tests?
I read in another post of yours you had test checked and was low. if your thyroid gland isn't working like it should it will slow down your fat losses for sure.
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Ivan
carivan@freetrainers.com
Montreal Canada
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2004/11/18, 12:51 AM
Cody go to steroidology.com to get cold hard facts about most types of steroids and other useful info...
You will not get the 'results' you are looking for short of juicing...you will not gain 20 pounds of hard lean muscle and strength gains through the roof as you would through the cycle...for that you gonna have to juice...
short of juicing...
you can try creatine which can up your strength by a good 10-15%(it also has been shown to help lose fat..tho slightly..by like 1%)...but you will gain water weight which I am sure you will notice...again there are no supplements available that can give you steroid-like results...you can try looking for pro-hormones...try googling it...probably as close you can come to steroids...they give decent results from what I hear...but like i said go check out steroidology.com
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2004/11/18, 02:21 PM
Menace, I know you wont see the results of Steroids unless you take steroids..I have done some in the past and this time doing it without them, will be trying some PHMs that was reccomended, dont expect to be the same but might give me a little kick, all I really arelooking for.
Carivan, yes it has been checked, they keep blaming it on my accident. Only thing that sucks is I only store fat in my core (waist/back) my legs are solid/cut and arms are solid..Docs told me if I had a thyroid problem I would have weight gain everywhere.
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2004/11/18, 03:58 PM
So true!
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2004/11/19, 01:03 PM
blaming what on accident?the steriods?
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2004/11/19, 01:04 PM
I have also herd steriod also increase oragn sizes as well, coudl that be whats "sticking" out?
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