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2003/04/09, 02:02 PM
The other night at the gym I was told by a lady who claims she is a Nutritionist that I should not be ingesting over 50 grams of protein a day. She was quite adament. This concerned me, because I have been making a concerted effort to get as much protein as possible (and optimally from natural sources). She claims that in a few years there will be a problem with peoples livers, digestive systems etc and we are all just wasting money and hurting ourselves...
So anyone have anything to add here? After all I have read I find that her claims need more justification before I reduce my protein by such a significant amount.
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2003/04/09, 02:42 PM
The public really tends to go to the extremes. A normal, healthy adult will have no problems with high intakes of protein.... None. If that were the case, I should have been on dialysis years ago because of kidney failure due to ingesting 450g of protien per day for years! The problem with the majority of people who go on these fad and short lived high protein/no carb diets is usually 3 fold: Along with that high protein intake, they throw reason to the wind and injest as much cholesterol and saturated fats as possible; they have a pre-existing health condition that is aggrevated or worsen by such habits; and they do not excercise. That is where the problems come from.
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"Trample the weak; hurdle the dead!"
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2003/04/09, 03:05 PM
If her claims were true then all of the older BB out ther Arnold etc would be in hosiptals now, and they are not infact most live well into there 70 and 80's with little health problems....ask her for real hard data on this and she will cave....there is none that prove her claim....
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2003/04/09, 03:21 PM
Thats what I was gonna say. Ask her to Justify what she says?
Heres the next question.....What is her body composition like?
Keep doing what you are doing Azon, and keep up the hard work!
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We must become the change we want to see.
Ivan Montreal Canada
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2003/04/09, 03:36 PM
There are so many thoughts to this story and is arguably the most talked about. The so called "nutritionist" is not entirely wrong nor entirely right. The main point here is that it doesn't hurt to stack up on protein but I think what she is trying to say is that you do not need 1g per pound of weight of protein and it has been proven that a good diet with less protein could rival that of a man consuming tons of protein for fitness purposes. I actually have a friend that I do work out with who's been strictly eating fruits, vegetables and starches and has gained an impressive 15 lbs. Granted, he does take protein regularly but not as much as say, 1g per lb. The body itself uilizes alot of energy to break down protein. Now imagine breaking down 450g of it. By consuming less, an individual will see an increase in energy. But who's to say "you should tak x amount"? it all depends on the consumer.
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2003/04/09, 03:49 PM
It is unfortunate when the "experts" spout off such ignorant MISINFORMATION. In my Exercise Physiology class, I ALWAYS got into arguments with my professor over high protein intakes. She is in the old school low protein train of thought as well (And she does not look like any type of health professional). Do people not realize that out bodies are made to ingest large amounts of protein? Look at the Native Americans of old and Inuits, what does there diet mainly consist of? PROTEIN, with a few berries thrown in there. They never had any problems and in fact, were some of the leanest, strongest, healthiest people around until the Europeans came over. Carbohydrates were not a staple in the human diet up until a few hundred years ago. And seeing as how it takes millions of years for a species to evolve, our bodies are still equipped to handle a lot of protein. Don't listen to her and tell her to stop bothering you.
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2003/04/09, 05:59 PM
Even clinical dieticians still fail (or don't want to) realize the protein needs of a resistance training athlete. 50 gr. of protein per day may be enough for a sedentary couch potato. But for an athelete going through catabolism on an almost daily basis, at 50 gr. per day, you would not have much muscle left, let alone build any new lean tissue. I would refer you to any physique you admire, with nice muscle tone. Ask them what they are eating!
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2003/04/10, 10:14 AM
I think I will ask this lady for hard data. I bet you are right - that she won't have any substantiated evidence to prove her theory enough to satisfy me. I will continue as I have - Thanks everyone.
All I can say is that I have seen an incredible change in the way my body has improved since I have been monitoring my nutrition/protein intakes. 10 years ago, when I wasn't so disciplined,I never saw the results I do now - I will go by this as an indicator - I was just alarmed by her remarks.
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2003/04/10, 02:47 PM
my professor of my helth class says it can cause damage only if u don't have lots of fiber in ur diet and u don't drink alot of water but long as the diet is balanced its ok i have had no problems and my doctor never has anything to say other than i have a heart murmer but that has nothing to do with protein lol
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2003/04/10, 04:24 PM
Too add to the post....I had complete blood tests on Jan 22.
and everything was on track, and #'s were all ok. I consume
160+ grams a day! The only thing that would show up is a high count of protein enzymes in the blood, if you trained in the last 24 hrs.That has nothing to do with protein ingested.
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We must become the change we want to see.
Ivan Montreal Canada
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2003/04/10, 09:55 PM
hit the nail on the head. most of the atkins issues (high protein/low carb diet) with kidneys involved people with pre-existing problems and not drinking enough water
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2003/04/28, 05:29 PM
What is the best source of protien for a body builder who is a vegetarian ?
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2003/04/28, 06:28 PM
If you like soy? You can even buy protein supplement from soy, that is an alternative, legumes, lentils,
I dunno what kind of vegan you are but eggwhites are the best source.
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We must become the change we want to see.
Ivan Montreal Canada
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2003/04/29, 09:20 PM
I've read that soy is a myth; Men's Health, this month; it's all about phytoestrogens. In other words, lean beef with 15% fat or less is proven to be fairly healthy, and soy products will elevate estrogen levels leading to problems.
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Quoting from carivan:
If you like soy? You can even buy protein supplement from soy, that is an alternative, legumes, lentils,
I dunno what kind of vegan you are but eggwhites are the best source.
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\"There are no versions of the truth.\" Jeff Goldblum, Jurassic Park II
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2003/04/30, 10:28 AM
Right, but if you are a vegetarian, then eating any beef or other meats would defeat the purpose of being a vegetarian. I think carivan is giving suggestions to a vegetarian, otherwise I would agree with you.
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2003/05/09, 04:43 PM
It's funny that somone that claims to be educated about nutrition could drop one single number to fit the entire human popluace. Fifty grams, huh? For everyone? Every single person?? Can you make any blanket statement about the entire human race? Tough one.
Seriously, though, the theory was that since the nitrogen in protein is filtered in your kidneys, a higher amount would put more strain on them. Never ming that people can live normally off one kidney because you use only a small percentage of your kidney function after going through puberty. It was a bit of a logical leap on the part of whatever brilliant scientist deduced it. All the studies that claim kidney damage on high protein diets were done on folks that already had a measure of renal failure. No one seems to want to test this on healthy individuals. High level athletes have been ingesting higher amounts of protein for decades and you don't see them hospitalized in droves.
Unfortunately, the education system is sometimes outdated and rarely controversial. Anything that hasn't run the gamut of decades is dismissed as wrong. Then folks that come out of those systems are indoctrinated with this information and some refuse to let go. It's too bad.
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"Don't follow leaders and watch your parking meters!"
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2003/05/09, 05:43 PM
Beware of nutritionists. While some are good and trained in the field of nutrition science many are not and there is no regulation to calling oneself a nutritionist, just as anyone can call themselves a personal trainer and have very little training or expertise. Always check the credentials. I have a personal dietitian (B.S. degree in nutrition science and a year of residency in a teaching hospital), my wife. She has talked to some so-called nutritionists and they really come up with bizarre stuff and it really burns her with some of the stuff they preach. My wife never claims to know everything, including sports related nutrition but there are some universals that are common sense and she has the means to find the correct information and will search it out. If it wildly out of the mainstream check it out.
Jason
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