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thedominator Posts: 288 Joined: 2005/02/16	2005/04/03, 06:53 PM i can bench all the weights in the gym.. but the bench won't agree to it.. so i stick to whatever i can do.. and i clean twice per week (my house that is) would that count? hahaha leme tell u some funny thing that happened this friday... a guy came to the gym.. i was doing leg presses at that time.. he goes to the bench (free weights).. takes out the 10kg plates from both sides (olympic bar).. Puts in 20kgs on each side.. (the guy is thin like a tooth pick mind it)... so i think like.. man this is going crazy.. then he puts another 5kgs on each side.. sits on the bench.. (i'm doing leg presses facing him).. he looks at me... waits... and waits... and waits... when i finished the set.. he goes like.. excuse me.. can u spot me?.. i thought he might be thinking of going to the failure in the first set (without warmup)... but still i was thinking that.. would he be able to pick this weight up?... i mean comeon.. 50kgs on olympic bar is difficult for me.. i know it might be nothing for u guys.. but its pretty hard for me.. so i went to spot him... stood on his head side.. and waited for him to pick up and start.. he goes like.. can u help me pick it up?.. so i help him pick it up.. he takes the bar down on his chest.. (i'ev taken the hands off the bar).. and there he is.. face red... body shivering.. arms shivering... i was like Oopsss.. so i grab the bar.. help him push it up.. and when i tried to put it on the rack.. he goes like (with that voice which comes from pretty deep inside the body through clinched teeth).. 2 more reps... :angry: anyways, i helped him out in the next 2 reps.. and then when he got up the bench i said.. u used only 20kgs of all the weight... he was like.. no.. i'm using 25 each side.. i said 15 each side i was picking up.. so why don't u put the 10kgs one and try again?.. and he goes like.. that i can do by myself... now THAT is a dedicated bencher :big_smile: -------------- A life worth living is a life lived with honor and dignity..bow to no moral and bowed by none.. THATS ME
mmaibohm Posts: 1,621 Joined: 2003/09/30	2005/04/03, 07:26 PM ok i dont get it -------------- I am that which must be feared, worshipped and adored. The world is mine now and forever.No one holds command over me. No man. No god. I am ANIMAL! and that is enough.
thedominator Posts: 288 Joined: 2005/02/16	2005/04/03, 07:58 PM the point is mmaibohm.. he just wanted to have a BIG bench press thats all... i mean look at it... he came in.. went straight on a bench press without any warmup... put on a weight which he cannot pick even for ONE time.. seeks spotter.. and all he thinks is that he can increase his bench press by someone spotting him.. and he argues for it... felt hurt when i said u should go along with 10kgs weights on the bar -------------- A life worth living is a life lived with honor and dignity..bow to no moral and bowed by none.. THATS ME
mmaibohm Posts: 1,621 Joined: 2003/09/30	2005/04/03, 08:07 PM ok got ya he needs a reality check :big_smile: -------------- I am that which must be feared, worshipped and adored. The world is mine now and forever.No one holds command over me. No man. No god. I am ANIMAL! and that is enough.
thedominator Posts: 288 Joined: 2005/02/16	2005/04/03, 08:08 PM yeah.. but i felt sorry afterwards seeing his face... it seems he had his ego hurt.. the whole time afterwards he din't ask me to spot him.. (asked some other guys in the gym) :big_smile: -------------- A life worth living is a life lived with honor and dignity..bow to no moral and bowed by none.. THATS ME
mmaibohm Posts: 1,621 Joined: 2003/09/30	2005/04/03, 08:29 PM lol -------------- I am that which must be feared, worshipped and adored. The world is mine now and forever.No one holds command over me. No man. No god. I am ANIMAL! and that is enough.
bigandrew Posts: 5,146 Joined: 2002/10/21	2005/04/04, 02:57 PM I'd let him set on his chest a few mins....or told him i'm here to spot... for safty.....not get a upper back workout. My firm belief is , if your doing doing 80% of the weight.....BY YOURSELF then you have to much weight on the bar. Ig you can bench 200 2 times strugling....don't make the spootter "help" you get 6 lol. -------------- " The only true eye, is your minds eye"- plato
	2005/04/04, 04:30 PM he could have been trying to do negatives..although I am not sure how that fits in the scheme of that particular workout... and yea forced reps should be used in limited times...I mean I like to do forced sets once in a while but I don't count them as regular reps...in my workout journal I always clearly write how many reps I did and then follow up with how many additional forced reps I did....which at times can be just a fraction of a rep...when the weight is lifted off of me...when I get stuck....
thedominator Posts: 288 Joined: 2005/02/16	2005/04/04, 05:50 PM that is normal for him.. all the work outs he do of "chest" that is.. he always looks for a spotter.. and believe u me.. his arms are like skin on the bones.. (a little bit here n there of muscles i agree).. lol.. anyhow.. he's not bothering me in my workouts anymore so its fine by my side.. looks at me.. and then looks for some other person.. oh and yeah one more thing.. he comes Daily (i hope not twice) -------------- A life worth living is a life lived with honor and dignity..bow to no moral and bowed by none.. THATS ME
	2005/04/05, 08:14 PM well...who says ignorance doesn't hurt..
bigandrew Posts: 5,146 Joined: 2002/10/21	2005/04/05, 10:16 PM buy some headphones.......they are very detourant of people. That and a pissed off at the world look too -------------- " The only true eye, is your minds eye"- plato
thedominator Posts: 288 Joined: 2005/02/16	2005/04/06, 11:26 AM yup agreed... and that look does wonders.. smile once u r finished with ur workout or u r yet to start it :big_smile:.. seem pissed off during the workout.. angry and whatever... hahahaha.. peace is all urs -------------- A life worth living is a life lived with honor and dignity..bow to no moral and bowed by none.. THATS ME
JohnS. Posts: 11 Joined: 2005/06/06	2005/06/06, 11:19 PM This is my first post but I think everyone is taking this the wrong way. Bench is a very good exersise(cant spell)and it messures uperbody strength. now i am 16 and can only bench 210-215 but can decline 235-240. but i can squat 315-330 and deadlift 315. I think that the squat bench and deadlift all need to be placed together and added up to find ur true strength. and yes i am a powerlifter
gangstershoes Posts: 641 Joined: 2005/05/27	2005/06/07, 09:19 AM the null is me. session timeout issues on this forum or something.
7707mutt Posts: 7,686 Joined: 2002/06/18	2005/06/07, 10:13 AM So cause I have a belly and my max is only 25 lbs over my weight it make sme less of a lifter than a skinny guy? ============ Quoting from null: everyone talks up their strong points. bench and squat pretty much are the norm for getting an idea of them. There will always be the battle of legs vs arms. And you always side on one or the other when you are lacking in one. A well balanced person doesn't feel unconfident about either so the side game goes away as you become a more well rounded lifter. Society loves the v shape look on a man, along with a trim look. Hense the bench press/chest infatuation. The main frustration I get in the gym is the beer belly fat guys acting like they are the best lifter in the world when they are only doing the equivilent of their weight in a lift. My respect goes to the weight ratio of the lift, more than the lift weight personally. ============= -------------- Less Talk, More Chalk! 7707mutt@freetrainers.com
gangstershoes Posts: 641 Joined: 2005/05/27	2005/06/07, 10:57 AM First, I don't even know your weight 7707mutt, second this isn't a unknown truth or something. Hense why do lifting contests have weight classes. Because it proves the better lifter in any exercise. So to answer your question. If the skinny guy can press the same as you, yes he is a better lifter.
7707mutt Posts: 7,686 Joined: 2002/06/18	2005/06/07, 11:10 AM No he says fat people are not lifting as well as skinny people cause the ratio of body weight to weight lifted is better(in his eyes) for the skiny guy. I weigh 300lbs I bench 325, deadlift 455 and squat 450 right now. Now I agree to a point that a 220lb guy that does that is amazing but it in now way makes him a better lifter. We each are using the max weight we each can lift. I feel that makes us even. -------------- Less Talk, More Chalk! 7707mutt@freetrainers.com
	2005/06/07, 11:18 AM We're all fighting the same thing guys....gravity. It's kind of silly to compare individuals. -------------- If I had a boat, Id go out on the ocean. If I had a pony ; Id ride it on my boat. Very soon Charlie
gangstershoes Posts: 641 Joined: 2005/05/27	2005/06/07, 11:28 AM the big belly wouldn't help you bench a higher weight, but it wouldn't be half the ackomplishment of having a 1.4 ratio vs. nearly a 2 times your weight ratio. My frustration is with the ego coming along with only doing your weight, like it's something really amazing or something. 7707mutt you pinpointed it. "Now I agree to a point that a 220lb guy that does that is amazing but it in no way makes him a better lifter." It's purely your definition of a better lifter. Lifting contests distinguish the better lifter based on weight classes. Because it's much more amazing to do 2 times your weight than it is to do your weight only, therefore in many peoples eyes that ackomplishment defines the better lifter.
gangstershoes Posts: 641 Joined: 2005/05/27	2005/06/07, 11:33 AM man of steel do you mean to tell me that a guy that's your size 157 benching 3 times his weight 471 doesn't desearve the respect of being a better lifter than a guy weighing in at 450 and benching 471.
7707mutt Posts: 7,686 Joined: 2002/06/18	2005/06/07, 11:43 AM I think it is the phrase better lifter. he maybe the stronger, but why say better. You are saying then that a person that max is say 100lbs on the bench cause that is allthey can do is not as good as a person max at 200lbs(regardless of bodyweight?) -------------- Less Talk, More Chalk! 7707mutt@freetrainers.com
gangstershoes Posts: 641 Joined: 2005/05/27	2005/06/07, 12:49 PM like you said mutt it all boils down to the definition of a better lifter in everyone's eyes. I've read your profile, and I commend you on your progress. In the realm of weight lifting though, a stronger lifter is a better lifter. The 3 times you're body weight reference was a joke that you stated earlier man_of_steel, however 2 times your body weight is very obtainable as you already know. My main issue is that if you take a BIG guy with a BIG bench ego and have them do pushups, what happens then? I'm not a big guy or a small guy in the gym, but if there is one thing I do keep in check it's my ego.
gangstershoes Posts: 641 Joined: 2005/05/27	2005/06/07, 12:54 PM just for the record this null comment wasn't me: "lol its funny how people who cant bench say benchpresses are shit, or someothers say "theyre a waste of time", and squats or dls are the best. Now my squat is shit 265 maz, but it doesnt mean that squats are shit does it, just cos i can bench more than i can squat it doesnt mean i shouldnt treat them the same, i think theyre both gd, and should be done both. bench is a grat exercise for uper body, as squat is for legs n back. "
hecdarec Posts: 2,457 Joined: 2003/12/16	2005/06/07, 01:01 PM What does bench pressing a lot of weight prove? Why is this post still alive? Why does anybody care how much anybody else can bench? Why does Michael Jackson like small boys? -------------- I was 17 years old the first time my father told me he loved me.
Pritchard Posts: 1,212 Joined: 2004/03/02	2005/06/07, 02:55 PM give the old white woman a break. -------------- driving to eat a carvel cake
gangstershoes Posts: 641 Joined: 2005/05/27	2005/06/07, 03:28 PM When is it bedtime at the neverland ranch? .... .... .... when the big hand meets the little hand.
bigandrew Posts: 5,146 Joined: 2002/10/21	2005/06/07, 07:05 PM wow new argument came up...... The point of this OLD post........was for the people who bench and ONLY bench.....as their one lift.....And want to brag about it.....but they wanna knwo what you do on bench.... I never said bench press wasn't agood excercise......I'm just sick of the norms and most guys thinkking its the only test of strength....... I don't care if you 150lbs benching 300, or 300 lbs benching 300..........both guys too alot of hard work and diet getting to it...... BUT if the 150lbs guy benching 300.....can barly squat his body weight.......then he is not strong.....where as the guy thats 300 may bench 300.....but squat 400.......which one's body is fully functional and ready for real life use day to day.... Strength is not just tris and chest.......even powerlifters who specialize in bench.......can still squat and dl prety good. -------------- gravity is not a law, only a obstacle
JohnS. Posts: 11 Joined: 2005/06/06	2005/06/07, 08:59 PM thats right Gene squates 1005lbs too. and hes a bench specialist
hecdarec Posts: 2,457 Joined: 2003/12/16	2005/06/08, 02:38 PM I say I dont care who is stronger. What is more important the guy who can bench press 500 lbs but cannot run 25 yds without keeling over into a heart attack or the guy who can bench bress 200 lbs and can complete a full cardio session? Why is it important? Why is bench pressing so important? It means nothing to me. What if you can bench press more than me but I have a bigger penis? Which would bother you more? -------------- I was 17 years old the first time my father told me he loved me.
flyonthewall Posts: 1,823 Joined: 2005/01/18	2005/06/08, 02:48 PM Welcome back hecdarec:big_smile: -------------- Even if you are on the right track, you will get run over if you just sit there.
bigandrew Posts: 5,146 Joined: 2002/10/21	2005/06/08, 02:57 PM lol -------------- gravity is not a law, only a obstacle
hecdarec Posts: 2,457 Joined: 2003/12/16	2005/06/09, 09:35 AM OK this is not twisted. WHO CARES? -------------- I was 17 years old the first time my father told me he loved me.
bropie Posts: 1,084 Joined: 2004/12/04	2005/06/09, 02:32 PM i think everyones getting hung up on different definitions of fit. a powerlifter is never going to be able to run a marathon the same as an endurance athlete, and vice versa.. yet both consider themselves fit in different ways. you dont have to be able to bench a certain amount AND run a certain distance to be considered in shape..
DeadOnArrival Posts: 95 Joined: 2005/05/22	2005/06/09, 07:24 PM What do you guys think is a respectable Romanian deadlift?
	2005/06/09, 10:38 PM DOA respectable? lol... you crack me up....seriously...if you don't lift 4X your body weight....you're not a man...there I said it! if you lift your bodyweight then you're fit/strong, 2x very strong, 3-4x go lift your car in the garage.... lol hec...def missed that sense of humor.... If 2 people of different weights lift the same weight...all it means is the lighter of the two lifters is 'proportionately' stronger....a 220lb guy doing over 1000lb squat is definitely proportionately stronger than a guy at 350lb doing the same weight....
dvelswk Posts: 192 Joined: 2005/05/07	2005/06/09, 11:57 PM I agree with menace's post.
DeadOnArrival Posts: 95 Joined: 2005/05/22	2005/06/10, 01:31 AM Hummm, I weigh about 192lbs and did 12 reps of 308lbs. I never tried very low reps. That weight was starting to feel dodgy enough. Had to use straps.
DanielJLove Posts: 320 Joined: 2004/03/30	2005/06/10, 05:52 PM Personally, with any lift I think it is respectable if someone is lifting to thier capabilities, regardless of what weight that might be. Really, is any one here really going to go up to the new guy and ridicule him or her because they are only curling 8lbs and struggling. God, I really hope not. Daniel Love
asimmer Posts: 8,201 Joined: 2003/01/07	2005/06/10, 07:37 PM I think all of you need to take neov's phisical fitness test with 30 pound dumbbells. 100 reps.... -------------- Vitality shows not only in the ability to persist but the ability to start over. - F. Scott Fitzgerald
	2005/06/10, 11:48 PM Daniel very good point...
DeadOnArrival Posts: 95 Joined: 2005/05/22	2005/06/11, 02:18 AM asimmer Thats the best fitness test known to man. It adresses the weakness of every muscle and movement in all sports and can be compared against males, females heavy and light athletes. Simply amazing.
bigandrew Posts: 5,146 Joined: 2002/10/21	2005/06/11, 07:15 PM that needs to be a book... -------------- gravity is not a law, only a obstacle
gangstershoes Posts: 641 Joined: 2005/05/27	2005/06/13, 09:48 AM I just can't seem to get away from neov's phisical fitness test. It's a legend in the making.
asimmer Posts: 8,201 Joined: 2003/01/07	2005/06/20, 02:30 PM :bows low to man_of_steel: You are now the fittest person on the site! Wow. I bet you can do anything now!:big_smile: -------------- Your own mind is a sacred enclosure into which nothing harmful can enter except by your permission. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
bigandrew Posts: 5,146 Joined: 2002/10/21	2005/06/22, 10:02 AM can we sticky that post? please.. just for laughs? -------------- gravity is not a law, only a obstacle
DeadOnArrival Posts: 95 Joined: 2005/05/22	2005/06/23, 09:12 PM I'd buy that book. I'm really interested in the science behind it.
xxmisterbugyixx Posts: 127 Joined: 2006/03/29	2006/08/13, 02:35 AM 308??? thats the weirdest number ive ever heard any one bench. you couldnt just do 11 reps with 310. what did you have to put three 50s and four ones on each side. lol :big_smile:
xxmisterbugyixx Posts: 127 Joined: 2006/03/29	2006/08/13, 02:41 AM :laugh::laugh::big_smile: i love how big andrew thinks doing 4 reps with 280 pds is easy and that most people can do it. that weight is amazing dude. i dont care what you say. lol i can barely push off 4 reps with 140. you could do 140 with me sitting on the barbell. hahaha :big_smile:
xxmisterbugyixx Posts: 127 Joined: 2006/03/29	2006/08/13, 02:42 AM hahaha i think i forgot how to abbreviate pound(lbs). my fault
xxmisterbugyixx Posts: 127 Joined: 2006/03/29	2006/08/13, 02:55 AM speakin of laterals is there an actual record for lateral raises??

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