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2002/12/29, 08:18 PM
I weigh 159lbs, at 70". My goal is to weigh 200lbs, very ripped. I was wondering if anyone could tell me what kind of steroids I should stack with, and a good cycle schedule. I realize one cycle won't let me see these gains. Any information would be helpful.
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2002/12/29, 08:59 PM
How old are you? Please fill out your profile and let us know more about you.
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The trouble with jogging is that, by the time you realize you are not in shape for it, it is too far to walk back! Franklin P. Jones
Ivan Montreal Canada
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2002/12/29, 09:01 PM
Steroids are bad news.....
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2002/12/30, 11:11 AM
Transam2002, I can not offer suggestions to which kind of steroids to take or how to cycle them. But I will suggest you do extensive research before taking them I believe there negative impacts out way the positive ones. You have not filled out your profile as Carivan has pointed out so there is no info about you to help any one help you. Through proper nutritian & exercise you can obtain the goals you have mentioned it may take a little longer but in the end you will be a healthier person for it.
my 2 cents
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Never be afraid to try something new. Remember the ark was built by amateurs, The Titanic was built by professionals.
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2002/12/31, 01:53 AM
Man...all the studies, all the doctors talking about how steroids ARE BAD, and people still dont listen. If your looking for a shortcut, your gonna get hurt in the end. NOTHING comes easy. just a FEW sideffects to remind you of,
-steroids cause more frequent muscle tear
-Acne on the chest and back
-Ligament tear/damage
-Liver damage
yea, bet you they didnt put those as DISCLAIMERS on the bottle did they.
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2002/12/31, 02:42 AM
let me also add
-gynecomastia
-swollen prostate
-accelerated hair loss
-testicular shrinkage
not too pleasant huh?
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2002/12/31, 10:33 AM
Trans.....
Ive never done them so Im saying this through my guy friends who do. They are all sick. One is 27 and developed heart issues for life. Hes in and out of the hospital. His pkg okay some of them...arent back. That is the case for many of them...which works still but you know they miss em :) they told me that the stuff works. But its kind of a high and then when you stop its a downer. So they want more and more...the attention is great. Hell you'll get tons but there seems to be so much money illegal and health...I dont know. Eat come over I'll feed you and you'll get some weight lol but use your good sense about a lifetime health plan. As a woman who enjoys the body developed this way...my friends are so sick I dont think its worth it...not for the short term. Thats just my take on watching my buddies do it. Good Luck on your research. :) CC
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2002/12/31, 03:24 PM
Here is a good read from the ft Article archives:
http://www.freetrainers.com/FT/jsp/Tip23.jsp
No shortcuts are worth the fake glamour.. these folks suffer in the long run.. NO QUESTIONS ABOUT IT!
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2002/12/31, 04:18 PM
Well, I didn't realize this was such an anti-steroid site. I was wondering if anyone who said steroids had negative side effects smokes or drinks. They also have negative side effects, and have no positive. Anyone who listed negative side effects didn't research very well. Not all steroids have the same side effects. I'am sure everyone here has had alcohol and/or smoked, I do neither. Anyways I'am 21 years old.
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2002/12/31, 04:40 PM
Yeah this is pretty much an anti-steroid site. I have never smoked, and I rarely drink so for you to say we woh are neagative towards roids do drink and smoke is false. Roids are bad there are none that have no side effects.....prove it post a article that proves that not a roid mag but something that is objective.
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2002/12/31, 05:20 PM
No one here could give me one good reason steroids should be illegal. Yes, all steroids have side effects. I think if you take steroids correctly, and use other medications to offset the negative side effects, the good will always outway the bad. Anyways, everything you do has negative side effects.
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YOU ONLY LIVE ONCE
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2002/12/31, 06:27 PM
transam why the rush at 21 you have a long life ahead of you. You do not have to die old and week that is your choice completely I know several people in thier 80's that are very active. And to die young and strong for no good reason is stupid!. You are right about the smoking and drinking they are not good for you and they are addictive. That is why most people concerned with improoving thier health stop!. As fore a good reason not to, it's not up to the community to make anyone do anything only to offer advise and information when possible, it's your choice alone. But why put chemicals in your body to achieve what you can do with out the chemicals? Good luck to you
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2002/12/31, 06:41 PM
Hey transam2002, remember one thing, this getting in shape thing and looking good, it is supposed to be for your health first and foremost! I could maybe see using steroids if it was a career choice of some type, you were going to make alot of money as a wrestler, or movie actor or something because of them. Maybe putting your health at risk for that is worth it, that is your choice. If not, working out and healthy eating habits are something for a lifetime. Think about it, and please choose wisely.
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2002/12/31, 06:54 PM
Ok, heres my 2cents then I'm on my way. I asked the age question just to confirm you were still under 30. There is a gentleman at my gym who is 91 years old, he is an inspiration to us all, he has been in professional shape all his life as he was a pro boxer (feather weight champion) never did roids. He runs for 1hr on the tread mill, does 3 3 min rounds with a bag and then does his weight training. I don't think he will die old and week transam, I hope you make the right choice.
Happy New Year
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The trouble with jogging is that, by the time you realize you are not in shape for it, it is too far to walk back! Franklin P. Jones
Ivan Montreal Canada
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2003/01/01, 10:21 AM
:) EXACTLY WHAT MY BUDDIES SAY/SAID:) Really its a personal choice. The big boys do it and have but I bet you when you ask them...they wish they didnt have to. :) Thats all. Be safe we're all looking out for ya :)
No one here could give me one good reason steroids should be illegal. Yes, all steroids have side effects. I think if you take steroids correctly, and use other medications to offset the negative side effects, the good will always outway the bad. Anyways, everything you do has negative side effects.
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2003/01/01, 10:26 AM
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2003/01/01, 04:23 PM
LIsten to what you said you would take roids then take meds to counteract the bad effects.....What about the side effct for the meds to counter the roids? Even aspirn abused can hurt even kill you. Think about it man is all I am asking...not here to tell you not to it is your choice, but the gains you make on your own outweigh by far those with that junk! Good luck!
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2003/01/01, 11:00 PM
Here's my 2 cents. I find big muscly men very attractive. In fact, since I've started doing the gym thing seriously, I'm no longer attracted to skinny men. Here's the thing though, steroids to me make a great physique false advertising. What's the point of a great body that you didn't truly earn? When you put on a couple pounds of lean mass, wouldn't you rather know that it was all YOU? I actually dated a guy that was using steroids, and even though he was gorgeous, once I found out how much he was risking his health, I couldn't stay interested. That, and at only 20, he had ...ahem...difficulty functioning. My opinion, see what you can do on your own before you consider any of that crap. In Canada, the majority of that stuff is actually illegal anyway.
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Think you can or think you can't; either way you're right--Goethe
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2003/01/03, 05:17 PM
That's funny, the biggest drug in weight training counteracts exactly what you start it for....good health. It's all on you man, but there isn't anything you can't do without steroids.
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2003/01/04, 10:05 AM
For a more pro-steroid site, try
www.elite-fitness.com
Where the "elite" means "'roid head"...
--S
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2003/01/05, 01:40 PM
i once thought of taking steroids some few year ago. But before that, i consulted a friend of my brother who is a medical professional. I was told that taking steroids are only for those who have illness/sickness wherein the therapeutic value outweighs the risks of taking it.
Therefore, taking it just for the sake of getting big and strong would place the health of a person at risk. Those who are taking steroids for that matter are placing their careers at the driver seat while your health and welfare is put aside.
Before taking any steroids, why not seek the help of medical experts and not body builders or weightlifters who are already in steroids. With this, you will be given the facts about the advantages and disadvantages of taking steroids.
Why not just take the animal stak or the m-stak instead? This product rocks and rolls as per my experience.
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2003/01/07, 12:12 PM
I can understand how badly u want to get to your physical peak, but come on dude...Im tellin ya, once you get there, you may have people lookin at ya cause you have those muscles, but inside, you will feel guilty about cheating to get there. I know you are young, and probably laughin reading what I just typed to you, but deep down you know its right.
But hey, im only 24 yrs old, so what could I know huh? Well I know that I need to lose 60 lbs fast, and I know there are great ways to "cheat" to do it, but I take pride in knowing that when I get there, it will be because I worked for it.
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2003/01/08, 02:56 PM
If you have to ask, then you have not properly educated yourself on steroids. Until you study up on them and understand exactly what they do, how they do it and what the side effects are, that question is premature. Do a search for steroids on t-mag.com if you're convinced that you MUST have them. There are very strict things you need to do in the way of diet and supplementation if you're going to use them, but by all means figure out what the hell you're getting into.
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2003/01/08, 03:11 PM
First off I will say...I have never used any type of AAS.
But I have educated myself on many different types. I will not sit here and tell you if they are good or bad for you, being that I do not know you personally. But I will say this....education is key!
And I don't mean for you to go to different chat boards and ask "what should I take" You need to learn ALL the benifits and disadvantages to all AAS. Learn for yourself, never rely on the advise you receive over the net.
One more thing, if you are under the age of 21, FORGET IT!!
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2003/01/10, 01:56 AM
As far as Im concerned you should ignore everyone (including me) on this board.. Do your homework, (which Id say 90% of these people havent done) and make your decision from there... If you want my opinion Im a big fan of the Deca Durabolin and Sustanon 250 stack. With this you should put on a solid 25+ pounds within 8 weeks, (be warned though the average person only keeps 60% of the sustanon weight, and 80% of the Deaca weight they put on). By the way, try and remember to keep some Nolvadex on hand just in case, and make sure you use HCG or clomic after your cycle (prefebly both) to make sure you get your natural test producing angain.
thats my opinion take it how you want.
good luck
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2003/01/11, 10:32 PM
WOW! A whoppign 90% did not do their homwork? What makes you say that? Because we think and feel the roids are bad news? And as you said not all the muscle is kept in fact the majority is lost. Not to mention all the nasty side effects. I ask unless your job requiers it is it worth it. Go ask those athletes that have used it a lot and see how healthy in their later years are. I know you guys are most likely 20-something, but I have talked to a few that have used and in their 30's ( just a few years older than you) have major medicals problems. But like others have said it is your body if you want to take the cheap cheating way and maybe ruin you life later on for a few lbs of muscle(maybe, remember that it does nto work for everyone). Go for it. You will have yourself to blame when it backfires.
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2003/01/11, 11:34 PM
No Doubt!
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2003/01/12, 01:29 AM
25 pounds in 8 weeks with steroids? I've put on 35 pounds of lean mass in about 12 weeks with protein, glutamine and proper dieting... the healthier way. Not to mention working out 6 days out of 7, 1-2 hours per. I feel a better sense of pride doing it this way rather than taking steroids.
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2003/01/12, 11:38 AM
Ummm... if you only started in Octover 2002 (per your profile) those are "beginner gains".
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2003/01/12, 12:20 PM
zen, the "beginner gains" per say are pretty damn good then, it's hardly fat at all and pretty much all lean mass. Majority of "beginners gains" is from unwanted fat. For example, your profile which your trying to accomplish more lean muscle and less fat from your workout of 25 lbs.
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2003/01/13, 01:57 AM
First things first, this message is mostly targeted to 7707mutt, I have no proble with your being against the juice... But your one the 90% I was talking about. How many books have u read, how many sites have you searched, how many people have u talked to about steroids. Your probrably one of those people who think theres only one type of steroids. when really theres literaly thousands, You say "as you said not all the muscle is kept in fact the majority is lost", Yes I said not all is kept, I wont lie I said u dont keep it all... But where do u get this "the majority is lost" stuff?, The press, people who are anti-steroids, in most cases, the majority is kept, depending on the type of steroid, for example 99-100%, yes i said 99-100% is kept for those who use primabolan depot, and winstrol... Now dont get me wrong im not saying this is the case with all steroids, an other example is D-bol, if u dont do your HW and use the oral steroid D-bol u will lose 70-100%, not to mention alot of motivation, then u face the high side effects as well.. The point Im trying to get across is yes, there are risks, but there are also benifits to steroids, and if u do your HW u may be very happy with the results, but if u dont who knows what will happen, other then doing your HW the #1 peice of advice i can give u is make sure u have easy access to Nolvadex, for that small (yes its small depending on what type of juice u take) chance of side effects start to develop, also remember more of the same type isnt necassarily better, its better to use more types.
on one final note just a quick message to ageis, it easy to get gains like that as a rookie, wait untill youve done it for a few years, when u plateau it sucks, some people choose to do the juice to change this, also some of your gains maybe due to great genetics, i cant say for sure, but keep up the hard work.
one final final note, I dont want anyone to get the wrong idea from me, i never have and never will recomend steroids, nor will i ever recomend against them (unless your a beginer as Ive said before its easy to put on size as a rookie). I just feel if youve done your HW and u feel the benefits out way the risks do what you want to do, dont let other uneducated people decide for u
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2003/01/13, 12:32 PM
First I never meant it to be an attack to your knowledge wich from your posts is in depth. Second I have read many articles and books that deal with fitness and steriods. I am by no means an expert because I feel that they are wrong. I just wanted to get across to you that 90% of us here have a lot of experience in weightlifting and some experience with this subject. You came across that we know nothing about them and therefore against them because of lack of knowledge. Like I said I have seen many youg people come here and request info on how to take them. I feel as do others that this is a very bad risky thing. Yeah there are thousands of them out there and some work better than others, but just because you need to take something for side effects of the orginal drug seems to me to be wrong and not the way to go. If you disagree as I think you do that is fine, but do no t say that I do not know anything about it. I feel that it is wrong and will tell that to who ever post asking about them. Like I said that in no way means I do not know about them.
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2003/01/13, 08:58 PM
Mr. Biggs, what happens to ones glucose level after administering a steroid?
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The trouble with jogging is that, by the time you realize you are not in shape for it, it is too far to walk back! Franklin P. Jones
Ivan Montreal Canada
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2003/01/13, 11:05 PM
I think the fact of the matter is that this TransAm guy is 5'10" and 159 lbs. Plenty of guys that are shorter than him can get up to 200 lbs. all natural, he seems to be looking for the fast way out. And that's all I got to say. ;)
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2003/01/14, 05:12 PM
Good point Lumina. TransAm, you're obviously a beginner. You could stick it out naturally for awhile and if you must hit steroids, do it when you've hit a peak. It's very apparent however that you're lazy. You're looking for the quickest way to get big. Let me tell you something, steroids are not as dangerous as they're made out to be - I know that. But in order to use them relatively safely, there are a lot of things you have to adapt about your lifestyle. You need to eat differently and supplement differently. If you're lazy, you're not going to do these things and then steroids are dangerous. If you lack the discipline to build mass naturally, then you lack the discipline to properly use steroids. But in the end, it's you life, so do as you choose. Mr Biggs has offered you an answer to your question, do with it what you will. More information can be found at t-mag.com.
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2003/01/17, 01:56 AM
I agree with mackfactor 100%, if your a begginer, or lazy, stay away from steroids, other wise make your own choice
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2003/01/29, 02:45 PM
wk 1 - 8: 500mg sustanon 250 each week
wk 1 - 8: 400mg Deca per week
wk 1 - 5: 35mg Dbol each day
Only if training, diet and other supps are good will this work efectively. Take milk thistle everyday to help your liver and drink lots of water to stop water retention.
3 weeks after your last jab start clomid. 300mg day 1, 100mg day 2 to 10, 50mg day 11 to 21
Have nolvadex on hand in case of gyno
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2003/02/05, 08:47 AM
as a personal trainer, I go through this routine with my young clients all the time. Steroids or no steroids, that is the question.
I don't advocate the use of steroids but especially before the age of 30 it is a detriment.
You really have so much more potential than you think at your age. At your age, your test is higher than it will ever be in a natural state. The problem is most people are doing drug induced programs and and diets and don't take in consideration recuperation times. You actually grow when your rest, not when you train. Most young guys are overtraining and not full recuperating. They don't see their growth because of poor habits; not poor genetics.
Evidently you have been convinced you can't grow anymore or your can't grow fast enough without steroids. This is where abuse comes into play. This mind set of more and faster is the killer.
When your 30 and your natural test levels are down ( under 1000 ), then some health experts have determined that steroids can be theraputic. At your age, Steroids are not threraputic, nor or they healthy unless you have a test problem.
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2003/02/06, 05:44 PM
Just remember that your body adjusts and adapts to anything you put into it, once you start abusing steroids you need higher dosages to continue growing.
Another thing to keep in mind is that when you stop you will see a decrease in size.
Maybe it is worth it (I don't believe so) for the pros, who earn a lot of money by being the biggest and freakiest guys out there, but you have to consider your health down the line. Are you working out to impress people or are you hoping to have a higher quality of life and be healthy and active well into your old age. Imagine your future - are you playing with your grandchildren, or are they being shown pictures of how big grandpa was before he kicked it at an unfortunately early age due to heart problems or some other type of side efect.
Another thing to consider is that your organs grow when you are on steroids (your internal organs, not the one between your legs). Look at old photos of Dorian Yates and his co-horts. Nice, tight abs and good v-taper from shoulders to waist. Now fast forwardt o the last time Dorian competed - huge, bloated looking midsection, no longer much of a waistline. his internal organs are causing his belly to push out.
Steroids are a personal decision, but in your late teens/early twenties you may not have a large enough world view (the big picture) to weigh all of the pros and cons.
Don't be seduced by glamorous images in magazines, they don't show you the rest of the picture. (Except one really excellent photo shoot in which Jean Pierre Fucs colapsed under a tremendous amount of wieght in the squat rack hwen his quadriceps tendons in both legs tore off of their attachments. Your ligaments and tendons can not keep up with the growth of your muscles on steroids, hence the added risk of tearing muscles and shearing tendons. FUN)
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2003/02/07, 03:57 PM
Well said by both asimmer and shlon.
asimmer, it's nice to hear from someone who knows the ins and outs of the pro bodybuilding community providing some real world examples.
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2003/02/11, 01:30 PM
Ok here are my 2 cents. I am looking at the steroid point from the side of medical steroids. I have taken medical steroids all of my life, and of course they are not as strong as the ones you would get out on the street, but within the 19yr period of taking them I have had benefits with my asthma and muscle growth, but I have also seen my share of side affects. I am now infertile, I have increased my chances of getting cancer, and I have totally lost the choice of not going to the gym. All of this muscle I have gained will only go away if I stop working out, and if I stopped working out I would have tons of fat, fat, and more fat. And now mind you, this is all from medical steroids...Can you imagine the negative affects from street steroids? Oh yeah, not to mention the affects on the heart. Personally I would not take the chance, but like me you are young, and you are going to do what you want. I just hope that you make the right choice.. Good luck Trans2002
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2003/04/23, 03:14 PM
25 lbs. of easily losable "muscle" from 8 weeks on 'roids (I've seen the waterboys that think it's all muscle they're toting around) VS. my 10 lbs. of muscle gained just on creatine, protein shakes, and 8 weeks of killer workouts (and without your 20-year-old testosterone production). Hmmm.
I'll take the reduced gains (which, by the way, are blowing my mind) over liver carcinoma, congestive heart failure, and testosterone sessation (and dozens of other harmful side effects) ANY DAY. My $.02.
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2003/05/01, 10:05 AM
i wonder how often steroids come up and cause this kind of fuss on this board. theres a few topics that really get everyone going. :D
nice work stormcrow - id like to think my 20y.o testosterone production will help me on my way to those sort of gains :)
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2003/05/26, 01:21 PM
People underestimate the main problems with roids......they actually work which then leads into a whole new problem. You will make significant gains on the juice, however, how and when do you return to natural training?. The point to make is that from my own personal experience you will find it more difficult to train when not on the "juice" and then this then leads to obvious abuse which in turn leads to serious medical problems.
Unless you are plannning to compete in next years Olympia - stay away from this shit
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2005/01/08, 06:08 PM
What happens to one's glucose levels after taking steroids?
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2005/01/08, 10:12 PM
there's an increased glucose intolerance....although it should go back to normal most of the time after the cycle ends...
I know this is an old post, but this is just for those who search through these threads:
10 pounds gained by storm on creatine/protein shakes in 8 weeks...is mostly water gains....hope you realized that....once you stop taking creatine you'll lost almost all of the weight...your net lean muscle tissue gained is maybe 1-2 lb....so compared with the previously mentioned steroid results listed, it's not nearly as impressive or as retainable....
on the sidenote....there should not be any reason for young adults to use steroids unless as mentioned you rely on the quick gains for a sport, career, or health reasons(cancer)...also before using steroids, one has to become extremely educated in this area, in terms of sideeffects, stacking, medications that minimize bad sideeffects, proper dosages, places where you can get the real deal and not fake stuff, and so forth....unless you got like 10 years of training under your belt....you have no business even considering......when it comes to steroids....point is to take as little as possible an amount to get over a plateau for a very experienced lifter for whom standard techniques have failed or physical limits ahve been reached.....hope this helps...
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2005/01/08, 10:20 PM
After trying some my thing is as follows......a supplement is a suplement. You can overdose on vitamnes, creatine, fat burners anything. Anything taken and respected is ok. only thing is people don't respect suplements an dwant gains quick as possible.
And like menace said unless your expieranced, and have tried every possible means neccassry, theres no point in even trying steriods, prohormomes etc.
hay look I agreed with ya on somthing! lol
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2005/01/08, 11:05 PM
omg........first time for everything I guess.......made me lol......like rivering a straight flush gutdraw...lol
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2005/01/12, 10:10 AM
Dont use them. Reach your genetics max. with natural bb, then maybe, but its unhealthy, and not worth it, if u dont want to get comp. Many guys pump them selves up wiht the shit, then go around with lots of water under de skinn, and think thats it.
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2005/01/13, 09:03 AM
it's not worth it and you're cheating yourself of hard work. when i started 15 months ago i was 6 foot and 165 and i was just determined with combination of supplements and rigirous workout schedule i put on about 30 lbs of muscle...and now when i see people i haven't seen in a while they notice it and it's alot more rewarding....NOT WORTH IT!!
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I weigh 159lbs, at 70". My goal is to weigh 200lbs, very ripped. I was wondering if anyone could tell me what kind of steroids I should stack with, and a good cycle schedule. I realize one cycle won't let me see these gains. Any information would be helpful.
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