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2004/02/20, 09:57 PM
Ok, how many of you plan to see Mel Gibson's movie, "The passion of Christ?" And for what reasons? Here is a cool site with trailers on it http://www.thepassionofthechrist.com/splash.htm
Personally, I can't wait to see it, and believe it will be a very fair rendition of the last 12 hours of the life of Christ.:surprised:
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2004/02/20, 11:22 PM
BB1, interesting poll and I hope you don't get called an ANTISEMITE because of it. I too am planning on seeing it and have visited the website as well. However, I am not looking forward to READING the movie (it's in aremeic (sp?) and Latin).
The REASON that I am seeing the movie is because I too think it will be a real picture of what Jesus went through in the last hours of his life... the reason why our sins are forgiven.
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2004/02/20, 11:30 PM
I don't plan on seeing it in the theatre. If I was really interested I'd donate $15 for a bible and not to Mel Gibson. I'm not calling anyone in particular an anti-Semite, but you can't deny the movie portrays Jews in slighty bad way.
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2004/02/20, 11:30 PM
I already have tickets. Our local theater has already sold out two full weeks. I believe that this movie will be huge! Mel Gibson even has a part in it. It is his hands that nail Jesus to the cross. Powerful!
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2004/02/21, 12:01 AM
I plan on seeing it. I am not a religious person, but have certain beliefs. The story of Christ has always facsinated me and getting different views and opinions I believe will only help me understand things more. Right or wrong, no matter what you believe, it should be an interesting interpretation of his last hours.
The same sort of controversy happened when "The Last Temptation of Christ" was released. I saw it, was facsinated, and am now trying to understand the spritiuality of things more.
Just my thoughts... interesting poll...
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"I count him braver who overcomes his desires than him who conquers his enemies, for the hardest victory is over self."
Aristotle
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2004/02/21, 02:01 AM
Definitely gonna see it. ive studied this stuff over and over again. Ive always been interested in the medical aspects as well as the events that took place around the crucifixion. I dont believe the movie is in the least bit anti-semitic. If people are gonna flame me for that comment i dont give a d@mn, im tired of people yelling at me for my opinions.
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2004/02/21, 02:32 AM
I certainly plan on seeing it. I think it will be fascinating. One of the most powerful events of the past that defined christian history - depicted on the big screen - long time coming. As far as the controversy surrounding the making of this movie - well, I guess this is inevitable due to the bibles storyline - I don't think this movie Could be done without this. I am curious to see how much latitude or "artistic license" Mel Gibson tells the story.
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2004/02/21, 02:32 AM
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2004/02/21, 10:39 AM
It is really a shame, I wonder how many folks know that what the Romans did to Jesus, they actually did to many, many common criminals? It was their way of punishment, they were very brutal, and treated their enemies with no remorse. It was the context of the times. Just as now, we are so politically correct with everything we do, it is unreal. You can't call a dog a dog anymore, you have to call them a canine american! I heard a story the other day about a kid getting sent home from school due to have 2 plastic army men at school that had guns! :angry:Amazing, I had bags of them when I was a kid. Then there is the story of the school in New Mexico where they won't post the honor roll any more, because it makes the other kids feel inferior! :laugh:What happened to competition? The right to succeed. We are out of control with political correctness!! sorry, got off on a rant, but it just infuriates me what we have become. If we compete to succeed in life anymore, we are deemed as taking advantage of others, or not being politically correct. (dam, I hate that phrase). :love:
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2004/02/21, 10:57 AM
I plan on seeing it - it has nothing to do w/ religion for me; my father is an atheist and my mom agnostic so I was brought up w/ no religion at all. But I'm really intrigued by the way the movie was made, especially the fact that it was filmed in the ancient languages! What a cool way to establish realism! I'm interested in seeing how the story is presented. Honestly I'm not a big fan of Mel as a director but I'll give him a chance and go see this one just for the sheer weirdness of it.
As far as the antisemitism goes, I'll have to reserve judgement until I've seen the movie.
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2004/02/21, 10:59 AM
I believe that crucifixion, although utilized by the Romans, was actually an Assyrian invention. It was a very nasty way to die. The Assyrians were also well known for skinning people alive, fileting them, and boiling them. Very cruel people. The Romans used that method because it took so long (slow death) and it provided a great message to the masses. "We are in charge, don't mess with us". As far as casting Jews in a bad light, I won't argue the scriptures-they are clear on this point. They are equally clear that if I had been there I would be in the same crowd demanding the same thing-that is the crucifixion of Christ because He died for my sins. Of this I am certain. I believe that if I had been the only person in all of history to have ever sinned, He would still have died on the cross for me. How can I not seek whatever way I can to somehow experience it. This movie will provide that opportunity. I believe it will be a good representation. But I also know that it will fall short of man's brutality toward Christ.
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2004/02/21, 11:04 AM
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2004/02/21, 11:06 AM
Sorry for the double post. It happens when I hit the back button on my browser. A little help moderator?
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2004/02/21, 11:20 AM
Youre right agamble :) assyrians were harsh mofos
Im dying to see how far he takes this to show it...every play/movie/picture ive ever seen shows Christ on the cross with the nice little towel wrapped around his genetalia. In reality, his genetalia were probably shredded to the point that they couldn't be recognized as such because of the lashes he recieved from the cat-o-nine tails. They were allowed to flail anywhere they wanted... It was meant to be embarrassing. Gosh, ive studied this for so long and wanted for someone to make a realistic movie for so long, i hope this does it justice. /end rant
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2004/02/21, 11:24 AM
If this movie does well maybe the Hollywood types will do more Biblical based movies. I would love to see a well done treatment of the David and Goliath story. Regardless of your religious persuation that is an excellent story. We all have Goliaths in our life that must (and can) be defeated.
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2004/02/21, 12:12 PM
HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE MOVIE. ALL THAT MEL GIBSON DID WAS TO TAKE WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS AND PUT IT ON FILM. HAVE YOU REED THE BIBLE? DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS SAID ABOUT THE DEATH A MAN THAT DIE FOR YOU AND BECAUSE OF YOU AND ME AND ALL OF US?
I DO NOT BLAME THE DEATH OF CHRIST ON JEWS, WE ALL ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS DEATH, BUT IT HAD TO BE DONE IN ORDER FOR YOU AND ME TO HAVE A CHANCE TO BE FREED FROM DEATH.
I HOPE YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND AND GO SEE IT, THIS IS NOT ABOUT A MOVIE THAT MEL CAME UP WITH, THIS IS ABOUT WHAT A FRIEND DID FOR YOU. GOD BLESS YOU !!!!!!!!!!!
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I don't plan on seeing it in the theatre. If I was really interested I'd donate $15 for a bible and not to Mel Gibson. I'm not calling anyone in particular an anti-Semite, but you can't deny the movie portrays Jews in slighty bad way.
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WITH THAT SAID, I WILL GO SEE THIS FILM. THERE IS NO WAY I'M GOING TO MISS THE STORY OF HOW THE GREATEST MAN THAT WALKED ON THIS EARTH DIED FOR ME. I'M ALSO GOING WITH 11 OTHER PEOPPLE THAT I INVITED. I'M GLAD THAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO, GET READY FOR THE GREATEST RIDE OF YOUR LIFE (YOU WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEAN AFTER YOU SEE IT).
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2004/02/21, 12:27 PM
A few things to remember:
1.The Jews are "God's chosen people" this makes it even more devestating - how would you feel if your best friend nail you to a cross.
2. Mel Gibson feels personally responsible for the death of Christ (if you were a jew 2000 years ago, would you have been in the crowd shouting to crucify him?) - this is why it is his hand you see in the movie holding the nail. I agree with you ENOC.
3. According to the Bible, once we are true Christians, we are considered "Jews" not by birthright, but by position according to God (did that make sense?)
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2004/02/21, 01:28 PM
um i do not believe we're considered "jews" fsdsk. But, i do believe we are considered "forgiven". The jews WERE gods chosen people. However, there is no such thing anymore. We are all sinners fallen short of the glory of god...but then again, those are my personal beliefs
btw ENOC please for the love of God lose the caps. It makes it sound like you are yelling as well as are very obnoxious...
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2004/02/21, 01:49 PM
SORRY IF YOU DON'T LIKE MY CAPS BUT THAT'S THE WAY I WRITE EVEN BY HAND. AND I'M NOT YELLING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:big_smile::big_smile::big_smile::big_smile::big_smile:
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btw ENOC please for the love of God lose the caps. It makes it sound like you are yelling as well as are very obnoxious...
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2004/02/21, 01:57 PM
It's a movie. Looks good. Will see.
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2004/02/21, 01:58 PM
The movie is one man's interpretation of the bible. You know he is building a private church in Hollywood which is in no way affiliated with the Catholic Church. No one even knows what sect the guy belongs to. If this isn't a money making scheme, then I'd argue Mel has some issues to work out. We don't need anymore multi-millionaire religious fanatics out there.
That is why I can say I'm not giving him a cent. And just to humour ENOC, yes I have read the bible and many other religious texts. Which is something I doubt you have done. I for one am not going to let a story define my life.
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2004/02/21, 02:16 PM
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I'd argue Mel has some issues to work out.
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I AGREE CSFERRIE, HE DOES HAVE ISSUES TO WORK OUT, BUT I TELL YOU WHAT, WE ALL DO, EVEN ME AND YOU. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN GO AROUND TALKING BAD ABOUT EVERYBODY JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T AGREE WITH THE WAY THEY LIVE.
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That is why I can say I'm not giving him a cent. And just to humour ENOC, yes I have read the bible and many other religious texts. Which is something I doubt you have done. I for one am not going to let a story define my life.
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YES, I REED THE BIBLE AND THE "STORY" THAT YOU TALK ABOUT IS NOT JUST A STORY, IT IS A FACT. BUT I GESS YOU KNEW THAT SINCE YOU REED SO MUCH.
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2004/02/21, 02:47 PM
I will see the movie.
I am of the Jewish faith, but the religion, or others doesn't really matter to me, it's still a movie.:love::big_smile:
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2004/02/21, 03:06 PM
Everybody? So you and Mel Gibson speak for everyone? I'll take note of that.
So, you believe everything you READ? The bible is not fact. The only argument you can give concerning the validity of any historical account is based on faith. The only things you, or I, can know for certain to be fact are tautologies and mathematical logic.
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2004/02/21, 03:16 PM
SO TELL ME. WHERE DO TOUTOLOGIES AND MATHEMATICAL LOGIC COME FROM????
AND I DON'T SPEEK FOR EVERYONE, ALL I SAID WAS THAT WE ALL HAVE ISSUES TO WORK OUT.
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2004/02/21, 03:24 PM
I agree with you Ron. Society is out of control with tolerance. We express a different opinion and we are all of a sudden an outcast. We are taught now that conflict and competition is wrong. Humanity has hit a plateau where we have become a giant mass of hedonistic consumers all afraid to stand up and do or say anthing about it from fear of being ostracized.
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2004/02/21, 03:33 PM
Definitions are unavoidably true. 1 and 1 make 2 because 2 is defined as such. I'll let you mull it over. I'm done arguing, we are off topic.
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2004/02/21, 03:37 PM
I may be incorrect on this... but isn't religion supposed to teach not to be judgemental? Isn't that in the Lord's Prayer? Yet many wars, if not most, have been fought because one side didn't like what the other side believed... so it was conform or die...
This movie has been judged by a handful of people who deem it inappropriate for the masses... what gives that group of people the right to tell me what I can and can't decide to be bad for me? Do I not have that right?
There is only one way to know who is right or wrong and quite frankly I'm want to take my time to find out...
The bible, like many books has been interpreted different ways by many different people... why can't Mel's, mine or anybody's be right?
What if, and this is only speculation... but what if Bill Gates was God and he was just playing a game of The Sims and we were just his little sea monkeys project? :big_smile:
Just some thoughts....
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"I count him braver who overcomes his desires than him who conquers his enemies, for the hardest victory is over self."
Aristotle
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2004/02/21, 03:44 PM
WOW!!! 1 AND 1 MAKE 2 ? NOW I KNOW HOW SMART YOU ARE.
AND I DONT'T NEED TO "MULL IT OVER", I JUST WANTED TO SEE YOUR ANSWER SINCE YOU SEEM TO KNOW SO MUCH.
HAVE A GOOD DAY. :big_smile:
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2004/02/21, 03:46 PM
Check your theology goodoldtex Rom 2:28-29
OK..I'll stop now too -
to get back on track - I'm planning seeing the movie
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2004/02/21, 03:53 PM
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I may be incorrect on this... but isn't religion supposed to teach not to be judgemental? Isn't that in the Lord's Prayer? Yet many wars, if not most, have been fought because one side didn't like what the other side believed... so it was conform or die...
This movie has been judged by a handful of people who deem it inappropriate for the masses... what gives that group of people the right to tell me what I can and can't decide to be bad for me? Do I not have that right?
There is only one way to know who is right or wrong and quite frankly I'm want to take my time to find out...
The bible, like many books has been interpreted different ways by many different people... why can't Mel's, mine or anybody's be right?
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2004/02/21, 03:54 PM
I believe that everyone has the right to make their own decisions about virtually everything. Unfortunately, every decision carries some consequence. I respect people's rights to their own beliefs all I ask is that they respect mine. The original post simply asked who was going to see the movie and for what reason. This movie has and will spark debate. The subject always has. That is the point.
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2004/02/21, 05:20 PM
That's what I'm saying... we should judge others, unless we ourselves want to be... and I'll bet most don't... respect others beliefs... do unto others...
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I believe that everyone has the right to make their own decisions about virtually everything. Unfortunately, every decision carries some consequence. I respect people's rights to their own beliefs all I ask is that they respect mine. The original post simply asked who was going to see the movie and for what reason. This movie has and will spark debate. The subject always has. That is the point.
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"I count him braver who overcomes his desires than him who conquers his enemies, for the hardest victory is over self."
Aristotle
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2004/02/21, 06:08 PM
Let me correct the above... "we SHOULDN'T judge others..."
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That's what I'm saying... we should judge others, unless we ourselves want to be... and I'll bet most don't... respect others beliefs... do unto others...
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"I count him braver who overcomes his desires than him who conquers his enemies, for the hardest victory is over self."
Aristotle
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2004/02/21, 06:13 PM
I plan on seeing it. It seems like a good movie on the previews
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2004/02/21, 06:36 PM
Awww.....I knew that was what Tim. I agree.
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2004/02/21, 07:34 PM
im not gonna argue interpretations of the word of God, thats just trivial. Some take it literally, some take it figuratively. I dont believe that means i become a jew inside at all. My interpretation is however that we become the original notion of god's chosen people which were jews, hence why that term is used. The reason i left all denominations of church is because people like you trying to argue being right on a subject that is interpreted differently by everyone. I respect you take it literally. I take it differently, that is how it will be :)
like i said in my original post, those are my personal beliefs. Say i need to check my theology if you will, but personally id rather not become a bible thumping Southern Baptist like i was.
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2004/02/21, 09:07 PM
I think we still have to realize the context of the times when Jesus walked amongst men. The Roman empire was brutal, and they tolerated no interference, and liked to make examples of those that did try to intrude. Jesus was considered an insurgent to the powers that be at the time, and the high preists just happened to be "jews" at that time, they very well could have been any other faith. It was not the Jews, it was the context of the times. This was pre ordained. If only you or I were the only sinners on earth at the time, he still was sent to die for our sins in the end. This is the point to remember. :big_smile:
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2004/02/21, 09:37 PM
yup
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2004/02/22, 12:07 AM
I'd like to see it....I'm with csferrie...you seem to be a fellow sociologist.:) I do not believe in any religion but I have my own spirituality and beliefs. No one can deny me of that and please, nobody tell me whats 'right' and whats 'wrong' based on your beliefs.:surprised:
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2004/02/22, 12:49 AM
Yo BB1!
Stiring it up a bit, I see! I'm probably not going to see the movie. Not because of any religious convictions - but rather, I usually don't go to many movies. When I do, I go for entertainment. Period. And if Mel's movie won my coin toss on that rare day, I'd watch it (or whatever movie) for it's entertainment value (if it has any). If the movie ended up sucking wind, then I'd probably listen to the score and try to pick out the tenor sax parts. No music? I'd probably look for really cool special effects. That's how I'm wired. Nothing of value? I'd leave and go play a round of miniature golf.
If people want to, they should go to the movie and watch it. If they don't want to go, then don't. It is intended to be entertainment. If someone finds the subject matter offensive in any way, don't go. I hope that no one is being forced into the theater. And, if you go and decide halfway through that it rubs you the wrong way... well, LEAVE! They don't lock those doors. Just like TV. Shut the damn thing off if you don't like what you're watching.
I am very amused at(1) the general sense of entitlement that seems to be rampant in our society, and (2) the fact that people generally need to blame others for their bad decisions. Take a stand - fine. But be responsible and accountable for your actions. And please, if you can't draw a clear delineation between your own cherished religious beliefs and a Mel Gibson movie, then for the love of <fill in your God or non-god here>, don't see the damn movie. Go rent Lethal Weapon, instead! Sheesh.
Whew! So, ummm, how about this upcoming presidential election?
TSMD
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2004/02/22, 01:31 AM
I've been planning on seeing it for about a year now. I just hope it stays in theatres for a while since I'd like to see it with hubby and that won't be until April. I dont really care who made it or who is in it. I've been following the making of it for a year and from the number of advisors on the sets, I dont think it is any ONE man's interpretaion of the biblical events. But it was one man's vision to make the movie, and that was Mel Gibson.
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2004/02/22, 06:50 AM
goodoldtex - no offense - I was only stating my "opinion " as well - you tell me I am wrong and I defended my position. As far as taking the Bible literally....no.... becuase I don't believe it was all written literally - it takes a lot of studying and searching to weed out which is which. We are now reading the English (well, most of us) version of an ancient text, this really forces us to do more research as to the "true" meanings of what was written. Better?
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2004/02/22, 10:53 AM
World wars and other events have happened and people kept account of what happened and it got put in history books because it was actual events that took place. Same thing 2000 years ago, things happened and people kept account of what happened and it also written down and is a part of our history. I am a firm believer in God and Jesus and I hope no one holds that against me. I don't hold it against anyone if they don't believe but don't push your theory's on me as to why you think there is no God.
The jews didn't kill Jesus, OUR sins killed Jesus.
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2004/02/22, 11:20 AM
Wow, I had no idea this would stir it up that much....(the dabate). I have been hearing tons of stuff on the radio about how it is stirring up all this controversy, and I thought to myself, how, this is simply a movie? I didn't believe it. But, I guess it is true, just from some of the passsionate replies to this post. Wow...we have taken things to another level in this day and age. I agree with Tenor, and this has been my view all along, its a movie! If you want to see it for your entertainment, or if you take it as more, this is simply your right. Geez, they made movies about religion years ago, The Robe, The Greatest story Ever Told, Ben Hur, there was never this uproar. It is truly amazing the political correctness we have these days. Folks, we really are out of hand. Don't take things out of context, it is a movie a man wanted to make, that is all. It could very well be about the life and times of Allah, would there be such an uproar? Somewhere we need a saftey net where this all ends, and things are back at a sensible level. I simply posted this to see who was going to see it. I for one am, and for no reason other than I love History, especially ancient Roman History, Greek Mythology, The Trojan War, World War 2, Civil War, etc. and I love these kind of movies. (I watch the History Channel all the time). Peace to all:cool:
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2004/02/23, 04:13 PM
I have been looking forward to seeing this movie. I can't wait to see it!!!
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2004/02/23, 04:15 PM
Why BB1, you lil ole muckraker you. Just had ta stir things up.
I'll watch anything Mel Gibsin does.
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2004/02/23, 05:51 PM
No thank you. The movie has an R rating for violence and I don't find violence entertaining. Had a pastor once who used to like to verbally describe the crucifiction in one of his Easter sermons. Very disturbing. Maybe that was his intention. Now if there was a movie of Jesus and his alleged relationship with Mary Magdelene I might consider. That would be a Passion of Christ.
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2004/02/24, 02:14 AM
I definitely plan on seeing the movie. I am however, going to wait for a week or two....at least until the crowds die down.... I hate sitting in a packed theatre. I think that, regardless of whether you believe the story, it is bound to be powerful and emotional experience.... I cry at commercials...I don't know how I'm going to make it through this movie!
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2004/02/23, 09:56 PM
I'm offended by The Little Mermaid. It had Crabs.
I'm sickened by Little House on the Prairie; it made white folks look like dumb old farmers.
I find Wheel of Fortune repulsive; the wheel and the pins on it are phallic and yonic symbols for man's worst two vices--sex and money.
But hey, that's me :)
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