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2005/09/01, 03:25 PM
I haven't been able to pull myself away from this computer all day. I keep going back and forth from MSNBC.com and CNN.com, watching in awe...sometimes crying
There are thousands and thousands and thousands of people out there who have lost absolutley everything they have. My heart goes out to all of them. I was supposed to be leaving tonight with my boyfriend to go down there with a trailer full of emergency supplies. Because of all the violence that is going on down there he will not let me go.
I understand the frustration and the anxiety these people are experiencing right now, but don't they realize the all the violence and looting and the fires they are starting is only making their situation worse?
I think today I am more thankful for what I have than I ever have been before.
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2005/09/01, 04:07 PM
K, if you want to go I don't believe you guys are going to be able to get anywhere near the danger. I've delivered supplies to people after hurricanes and the first day or two you can get anywhere you want. But in this case most of the roads to where there may be danger are blocked off. There will be drop off points where you can leave your supplies and they should be safe.
During Hugo we beat the National guard into Mt Pleasant but they locked and loaded on us while we were leaving. As soon as they saw the empty bed in the truck they said ok move on. They wanted to make sure we weren't looters.
You probably won't be able to get within 50 miles of the N.O. or any other heavily damaged areas. Before you go you should find an agency to tell you where the supplies are needed. I'm sure you can google one up. You may even be told not to go. Martial law is a pretty weird thing.
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Sometimes life is like herding cats.
Charlie
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2005/09/01, 04:12 PM
Also gas will be a major problem the further south you go. The entire southeast is having a gas shortage because of the N.O. pipelines. Word is that one out of the two pipes will be back up to 50% by Monday but it'll be another week or two before they are both back up. We are having to hunt for gas here in NC because the media created a rush on gas stations. Do your homework before either of you go.
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Sometimes life is like herding cats.
Charlie
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2005/09/01, 04:23 PM
Thanks Charlie. It's the company he used to work for that wants us to go there. I was just reading about the gas shortage a few minutes ago. I don't think I want him to go either, I don't care how much they want to pay him.
As for the media...it's nice to have them so we can see and be informed on what's going on in the world...but sometimes they over do it. They create so many problems with the way they hype everything up. Good luck looking for gas. As far as I know we have plenty up here. We better anyway, I drive 120 miles a day!!!:angry:
I think I should go tell my boss I need or raise or she's going to have to start paying for my gas!!:big_smile:
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Kristi
Are you the kind of person that gives up one thing for everything, or the type of person who gives up everything for one thing?
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2005/09/01, 04:30 PM
With all these natural disasters and what is happening over seas with the war and the Jews. Has anyone been thinking about what the Bible says about the endtimes? This does sound familiar. I'm a Christian but how scary it all is and all the death and destruction. It really makes you think. I am truly thankful for what the Lord has done for me.
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2005/09/01, 04:36 PM
http://money.cnn.com/2005/09/01/news/economy/pipeline/index.htm?cnn=yes
Here Charlie....This just came on CNN
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2005/09/01, 09:39 PM
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Quoting from NEWCREATE:
With all these natural disasters and what is happening over seas with the war and the Jews. Has anyone been thinking about what the Bible says about the endtimes? This does sound familiar. I'm a Christian but how scary it all is and all the death and destruction. It really makes you think. I am truly thankful for what the Lord has done for me.
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What's happening with the Jews?? You mean in Israel? They are not only Jews but Israelies (other religions also).In my opinion, I think you should widen your scope as there are not only Jews in that country.
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Scales are for dead weight: We are not dead yet!
Still trying to find out how to do the Hollywood Free Press.
Ivan
Montreal Canada
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2005/09/01, 10:08 PM
Well said Ivan.
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Sometimes life is like herding cats.
Charlie
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2005/09/01, 10:29 PM
I second that Charlie!
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Kristi
Are you the kind of person that gives up one thing for everything, or the type of person who gives up everything for one thing?
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2005/09/01, 10:31 PM
Kristi, are y'all stayin or goin??
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Sometimes life is like herding cats.
Charlie
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2005/09/01, 10:31 PM
I third, if it matters at all...
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Bettia.... You will only be remembered for the things that you finish, not the things that you start!
ravenbeauty@freetrainers.com
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2005/09/01, 10:51 PM
Charlie....
I'm not sure yet. He's not happy abput me wanting to go with him, but I don't want him going alone and damn it i have to see this for myself. When 9/11 happened I went staright to ground zero as soon as I could. We didn't get all that close but we got close enough. This i have to see...
If i do go I am taking my laptop and my camera...umm, wireless internet probably won't work down there...i don't care i want my own pictures
By the way...how did the jews get brought into this?
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Kristi
Are you the kind of person that gives up one thing for everything, or the type of person who gives up everything for one thing?
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2005/09/02, 04:53 AM
got logged out as usual
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2005/09/02, 06:38 AM
Menace, you don't need to explain, we can spot your posts at 50 paces :big_smile:
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2005/09/02, 07:53 AM
lol....guilty as charged....
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2005/09/02, 08:36 AM
I agree and wonder the same thing. Makes me think of all the movies I've seen...Deep Shock (was that the name of it?)Armegedon, The Day After Tomorrow, etc., how possible are they? Are these movies as far fetched as some people think they are? The Day After Tomorrow is my personal faorite. Living in New England and seeing how much colder it gets and how much more snow we get every winter makes me a little concerned.
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Natural disasters are quite common....there have been many of them through the many over 4 billion years of Earth's existence....biggest ones can cause shifts in climate.....The Greenhouse gases.....the ever increasing pollution....shift the weather systems....melting polar ice caps raise the water levels.....
My question is whether the increased frequency of natural disaster will signal an upcoming shift in climate and weather patterns throughout the world.....
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Kristi
Are you the kind of person that gives up one thing for everything, or the type of person who gives up everything for one thing?
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2005/09/02, 09:00 AM
ksmith
You won't be allowed into New Orleans if that's where you're headed and as for gas, in spite of what the media is reporting, the shortages are being created by panic buying. Here in Pensacola, we have double the normal supply in the system but there are two block lines around every gas station. All the fuel for NW Florida comes in by barge and they started arriving yesterday on schedule. I was doing some work in Biloxi yesterday (or at least trying to) and it took 100 or so chain saw wielding Air Force guys the better part of 6 hours just to cut their way through the base entrance.
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in Pensacola Now.
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2005/09/02, 09:42 AM
Mike, we were headed there as part of a fleet of truck delivering supplies. But it doesn't look like we are going to go.
As for the gas...I can't even really say I care. We need gas, at least I know I do to get to work everyday. We have no choice but to pay what it is. The govenor of Ct is talking about temporarily remove the state gas tax for us...I think it amounts to a whole $0.20 a gallon. I guess it adds up so it will be a good thing if it happens.
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2005/09/02, 07:32 PM
Well, I guess I worded my post wrong. I'm sorry if I offended for just using the word Jew. What I was referring to is Israel in general. I didn't mean anything bad for saying it like I did. I didn't say anything judgmental or hurtful toward anyone of you. I expect the same back. If you refer to my post my statement was also how bad and scary the disaster from the Hurricane was.
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2005/09/02, 10:56 PM
if you look at what we said...it followed logically from what you said...your intentions aside....we replied based on what we read...we are not clairvoyant....
Also instead of looking as to why these disasters are occurring.....whether researching or even asking others...you simply brought out the idea of the bible as it somehow predicted this...to me such thing is ludicrous....I mean time after time our newspapers are filled with information with information about increasing air pollution, melting polar ice caps, ever decreasing ozone layer, greenhouse effects, and so forth...or even simply reading about how common such events are in earth's long history....such events often signal dramatic changes in climate like an Ice Age...etc...yet no...it's a prophecy....it's in the bible...like I said religion is fine and dandy..but it should not be used as an excuse not to use one's brain.....
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2005/09/06, 09:00 AM
I'm sure my opinion will not be altogether that popular, but I'd like to put it out there anyway.
I don't consider this a natural disaster. The storm itself was natural (although the one degree warmer surface temp of the Gulf certainly contributed to it's "supercharging"), but the disaster was Man's fault, mostly. The wetlands are being lost, mostly due to development at a rate of 32 square miles per year, and this would have been the natural defense against a storm like this.
"Human activities during the past century have drastically affected the wetlands.
Natural processes alone are not responsible for the degradation and loss of wetlands in the Mississippi River delta plain. The seasonal flooding that previously provided sediments critical to the healthy growth of wetlands has been virtually eliminated by construction of massive levees that channel the river for nearly 2000 kilometers; sediment carried by the river is now discharged far from the coast, thereby depriving wetlands of vital sediment. In addition, throughout the wetlands, an extensive system of dredged canals and flood-control structures, constructed to facilitate hydrocarbon exploration and production as well as commercial and recreational boat traffic, has enabled salt water from the Gulf of Mexico to intrude brackish and freshwater wetlands. Moreover, forced drainage of the wetlands to accommodate development and agriculture also contribute to wetlands deterioration and loss."
Just a different perspective for you all.
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The strong shall stand, the weak will fall by the wayside.
Res ipsa loquitur
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2005/09/06, 09:04 AM
The above quote was supplied by marine.usgs.gov
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2005/09/06, 11:12 AM
They had a show on discovery channel last week talking about this same exact thing raulduke. It was very informative and given the time limit the producers had put this all together with all of their data, they have known this for quite sometime.
I agree with menace on the newspaper articles, news reports, etc. Most of us, as humans, tend to lend a deaf ear to the media about warnings of such events, we lack the proactivity to prepare for them and instead react to them once they have come forth.
Oy....maybe we'll learn one day...
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Bettia.... You will only be remembered for the things that you finish, not the things that you start!
ravenbeauty@freetrainers.com
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2005/09/06, 02:48 PM
If we're blaming folks we need to go back 300 years and blame the French who build New Orleans there in the first place. As to the engineering involved, NOT ONE levie failed. Not one. The failures were in the two foot thick canal walls.
Following the logic of wetlands disruption we would have to uproot millions of people all over this country to correct this.
As to this not being a natural disaster, tell that to the hundreds of thousands of people living in Mississippi,Alabama and the rest of Louisiana. The scale of damage is incomprehensable.
Andrew was a cat 5 storm that was 150 miles wide. Katrina was a cat 4 that was 500 miles wide. The difference in cat 4 and cat 5 to a frame house is the difference in a Mack truck or a train hitting it. No difference to the house either way. The flooding from a 500 mile wide storm broke the canal walls. They broke after the wind had left the area.
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Charlie
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2005/09/07, 06:53 AM
ironic that the floating casinos(boats) revived the economies of the south yet were destroying many buildings as they were thrown around by the hurricane...
my professor posted this article from New York Times....maybe some of you have read it....if not it's pretty interesting...
September 1, 2005
The Storm After the Storm
By DAVID BROOKS
Hurricanes come in two waves. First comes the rainstorm, and then comes what the historian John Barry calls the "human storm" - the recriminations, the political conflict and the battle over compensation. Floods wash away the surface of society, the settled way things have been done. They expose the underlying power structures, the injustices, the patterns of corruption and the unacknowledged inequalities. When you look back over the meteorological turbulence in this nation's history, it's striking how often political turbulence followed.
In 1889 in Pennsylvania, a great flood washed away much of Johnstown. The water's crushing destruction sounded to one person like a "lot of horses grinding oats." Witnesses watched hundreds of people trapped on a burning bridge, forced to choose between burning to death or throwing themselves into the churning waters to drown.
The flood was so abnormal that the country seemed to have trouble grasping what had happened. The national media were filled with wild exaggerations and fabrications: stories of rivers dammed with corpses, of children who died while playing ring-around-the-rosy and who were found with their hands still clasped and with smiles still on their faces.
Prejudices were let loose. Hungarians then were akin to today's illegal Mexican immigrants - hard-working people who took jobs no one else wanted. Newspapers carried accounts of gangs of Hungarian men cutting off dead women's fingers to steal their rings. "Drunken Hungarians, Dancing, Singing, Cursing and Fighting Amid the Ruins" a New York Herald headline blared.
Then, as David McCullough notes in "The Johnstown Flood," public fury turned on the Pittsburgh millionaires whose club's fishing pond had emptied on the town. The Chicago Herald depicted the millionaires as Roman aristocrats, seeking pleasure while the poor died like beasts in the Coliseum.
Even before the flood, public resentment was building against the newly rich industrialists. Protests were growing against the trusts, against industrialization and against the new concentrations of wealth. The Johnstown flood crystallized popular anger, for the fishing club was indeed partly to blame. Public reaction to the disaster helped set the stage for the progressive movement and the trust-busting that was to come.
In 1900, another great storm hit the U.S., killing over 6,000 people in Galveston, Tex. The storm exposed racial animosities, for this time stories (equally false) swept through the press accusing blacks of cutting off the fingers of corpses to steal wedding rings. The devastation ended Galveston's chance to beat out Houston as Texas' leading port.
Then in 1927, the great Mississippi flood rumbled down upon New Orleans. As Barry writes in his account, "Rising Tide," the disaster ripped the veil off the genteel, feudal relations between whites and blacks, and revealed the festering iniquities. Blacks were rounded up into work camps and held by armed guards. They were prevented from leaving as the waters rose. A steamer, the Capitol, played "Bye Bye Blackbird" as it sailed away. The racist violence that followed the floods helped persuade many blacks to move north.
Civic leaders intentionally flooded poor and middle-class areas to ease the water's pressure on the city, and then reneged on promises to compensate those whose homes were destroyed. That helped fuel the populist anger that led to Huey Long's success. Across the country people demanded that the federal government get involved in disaster relief, helping to set the stage for the New Deal. The local civic elite turned insular and reactionary, and New Orleans never really recovered its preflood vibrancy.
We'd like to think that the stories of hurricanes and floods are always stories of people rallying together to give aid and comfort. And, indeed, each of America's great floods has prompted a popular response both generous and inspiring. But floods are also civic examinations. Amid all the stories that recur with every disaster - tales of sudden death and miraculous survival, the displacement and the disease - there is also the testing.
Civic arrangements work or they fail. Leaders are found worthy or wanting. What's happening in New Orleans and Mississippi today is a human tragedy. But take a close look at the people you see wandering, devastated, around New Orleans: they are predominantly black and poor. The political disturbances are still to come.
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2005/09/07, 12:59 PM
A hypothetical:
Let’s say a man builds his home, half on stilts, overlooking a beautiful valley. 40 years go by and silver is discovered in the mountain below his house, so the silver miners come in and construct their mines. 20 more years go by and the man who built the house dies of natural causes. His house is re-sold (to a wealthy family that can afford the insurance).
5 years later, an earthquake hits, collapsing the mines, and in turn destroying the home.
Do you blame the builder, the buyer, the miners, or nature?
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2005/09/07, 01:09 PM
You blame no one. Everyone knew of all of the risks involved, yet chose to go foward with their respective decisions. You let the insurance cover the costs, and move on with your life....
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Michael
*ITS LEG DAY*
You already blew out your wraps.
Your towel cant absorb any more sweat.
Theres puke on the floor.
Your partner is passed out.
Theres a crowd gathering...
And that was just the warm up!
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2005/09/07, 01:14 PM
Good answer rev! I'd still have a few choice words for the miners though.
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2005/09/07, 03:45 PM
I'd blame Princess Lodgey.
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Sometimes life is like herding cats.
Charlie
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2005/09/07, 05:49 PM
"buyer beware"
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