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profylez1 Posts: 17 Joined: 2003/09/01	2003/09/08, 03:19 PM Well...I'm gonna take my first taste of Twinlab's Tribulus Fuel Stack w/ DHEA and quit smoking. I'm currently at 132 lbs 5'9" and we'll see how if there's any gains in a few weeks....wish me luck on the smoking part..lol
inv3rt Posts: 67 Joined: 2003/07/28	2003/09/08, 04:09 PM Whoa whoa whoa! Do some research before you take this stuff man. DHEA converts DIRECTLY to estrogen, and Trib has been known to increase Estrogen levels higher than Test levels. You have a recipe for Gyno (bitch tits) heaven there. If you're going to use Prohormones, do some SERIOUS research on the subject. Try something a little more tried and proven, like 4-AD, with very low DHT conversion, very low estrogen conversion, and high anabolic effect. (DHEA IS A SERIOUS NO NO!) http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catproh.htm http://t-mag.com/html/27proho.html MUCH NEEDED reading material there, if you want good information on the subject.
inv3rt Posts: 67 Joined: 2003/07/28	2003/09/08, 05:44 PM Keep in mind, if you're sticking to the perscribed ammounts on the bottle, you're probably going to be safe... but you're also probably not going to get much of a result. If you dont want to mess around with PH, then try ZMA... which is effective and completely 100% safe. (PH can be used safely also, but not without the knowledge on how to be safe!) If you DO want to use PH, which isn't a bad thing... but you need to know what you're getting yourself in to. Take a look at those links. Tribulus itn't harmful in itself, but I have seen posts about people getting the starting signs of of Gyno while cycling it. The problem is that it increases Estrogen AND testosterone levels, which means you gain more mass building hormone (testosterone), but also have the possible harmful effects of higher estrogen levels. It all depeends on how sensitive your system is.
profylez1 Posts: 17 Joined: 2003/09/01	2003/09/08, 07:32 PM Thanks fellas, yeah I've done my research. I was gonna take it another level and stack it with 1-ad and ZMA, but took a step back for now.
inv3rt Posts: 67 Joined: 2003/07/28	2003/09/09, 12:33 PM Good luck! Let us know how it turns out for ya. 1-AD and ZMA should do very nicely together. How many grams of each are you going for? Also, if you're going to be cycling for more than a couple weeks, I'd HIGHLY recommend taking a post cycle estrogen inhibitor. The reason for this, is that when cycling PHs, your test levels are sky high for a bit, and so your body starts increasing estrogen levels to compensate, and some of the testosterone gets converted to estrogen by the body naturally. Because of this, when you come off your testosterone power trip, your body will STILL have the incredibly high levels of estrogen floating around. Untill your body can get back to normal, this can lead to those negative side effects. 6oxo is an aromatize inhibitor sold by Ergopharm. It is the best over the counter anti-estrogen available for post cycle use. Week 1 – 600mg daily in two divided doses, morning and night Week 2-3 – 400mg daily Week 4 – 300mg daily
inv3rt Posts: 67 Joined: 2003/07/28	2003/09/09, 12:35 PM (those 6-OXO weeks listed are for post workout, fyi... start them the day after you get off your cycle) (This board seriously needs an edit feature) -------------- Leave your pride at the door...
profylez1 Posts: 17 Joined: 2003/09/01	2003/09/09, 02:20 PM Yeah, I'm only taking the tribulus fuel for now. I didn't want to get too deep in the PHs right now. I have heard that ZMA and Tribulus was a safe way to go though. Thanks for the input.
mikedesa1 Posts: 29 Joined: 2003/06/04	2003/09/10, 02:01 PM ZMA is definately the way to go... You'll be sleeping like a baby, and you won't be sore the next day. Try it for a few nights and see... Its worth a try
profylez1 Posts: 17 Joined: 2003/09/01	2003/09/11, 01:42 PM quick update..day 3....standing at 135lbs..gained 3lbs...i also added Animal Pak Uni-Liver for a boost of aminos. as far as the smoking...it's cutting down from a pack a day to 3-4 sticks a day. hope fully i'll kick the habit by the end of the week. i tried going cold-turkey but it made me groggy. i'll keep ya'll updated
rev8ball Posts: 3,081 Joined: 2001/12/27	2003/09/11, 03:25 PM Good for you, profylez1. Keep up the great work! -------------- Michael Trample the weak; hurdle the dead! Chaos, Panic, Disorder.... Yes, my work here is done!
alanh Posts: 20 Joined: 2003/08/29	2003/09/14, 07:32 AM yeah, good luck man you will do it no probs.