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2006/05/05, 05:11 PM
So for those of us in u.s....or eben our good neighbor to north....whats you all takes on whats going on?
Should we put up our wall....and just have the cookouts with canada and us? or what?
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People don't reach thier true potental, only those who seek it.
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2006/05/05, 05:51 PM
I will be the first to throw myself on the landmine. We should put up a wall and stop illegal immigration. Right now hard working, good people could be coming in or murderers, rapist, etc, we have no idea. For terrorist, it is an easy way to get to us. I am all for immigration but it must be "legal". It bothers me when you see someone protesting on TV stating that illegal immigrates are doin nothing wrong. Sorry but the word illegal should tell you that it is wrong. Illegals come into our country, most do not pay taxes since it is under the table, get free medical care in most cases. As fopr the illegals here, they should have to register and become "legal" or be sent back home. On a minor note on this, Everyone that comes to America to live should learn to speak English. If I moved to Japan I should learn to speak Japaneese. It is awful in my opinion when almost everything is now spanish including things such as drivers test. sorry for venting and I may take some heat for it but you asked
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2006/05/06, 11:23 AM
If you are illegal, you are a criminal, plain and simple. You have broken the law, and have nor rights.
How about if you were going to Mexico, told Fox you wanted to come there, just cross the border of course, but now you want to have the American flag flying along with the Mexican flag. And oh yeah, you don't want to learn the Spanish, so you want every manual and phone call to be added in English too.(press one for english :)).
And oh yeah, I want free health care too, and use the emergency room for my persona physician. And the right to just roam the streets and protest when things don't suit me.
Might as well add in some welfare free of course from the state for my kids. And all the money I make I want to send it back to the USA for my family there.
Of course pay no taxes on it.
Hhhhmmmm...wonder how long that would go over in Mexico! :laugh:
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2006/05/06, 06:39 PM
they prolly liek it..since everyone is ligalizing it.
I say we buy the good parts...the pensulla and annex it make some money from it.
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2006/05/07, 07:51 PM
Wall, big wall, secure wall, efficient wall, then lets just punch F ox in the nose...hard.
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2006/05/08, 12:45 PM
making things easier to become legal would help immigrants convert to english, and fit better into the american system. We are all immigrants, however the key is for our system to not support the freeloader immigrant that wants all our system has to offer, but doesn't want to contribute to it.
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2006/05/08, 01:12 PM
Yes, thank you gangstershoes, I totally agree with you. I definitely think the immigration process should become easier and less intimidating. I came to the US in 1993 (legally) and in 2004 I became a US citizen. It was a very scary, expensive and unpleasant experience, extremely challenging without the help of a lawyer ($$$). I just finished the process of immigrating my parents (legally). It took us 1 year and about $1000 not to mention the highly confusing papers that needed to be completed. So I can understand why people would try to avoid it. But I do agree that it must be legal!!!
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2006/05/08, 02:47 PM
Yes we are all immigrants excpt maybe for the native americans....However rules are rules....IF I go to any other country I have to do and go threw the same thing?
Why make it easier? Hell if I wanna be a french citizen...I'm gonna learn french as best as I can BEFORE I do that. Not get there and complain why road sign,menus etc aren't in english.
If they wanted to learn english they alredy would have....they won't Unless we MAKE them...btu we don't we put crap in spanish....so we don't get sued..or whatever.
Thats like me going to GM and complain why my caviler seats and cab arn't big enough for my 6' 260lb frame(body).....and then suing them for not making it more "convenent" for me to get in and out of.
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People don't reach thier true potental, only those who seek it.
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2006/05/08, 03:26 PM
I'm talking about the paperwork not the language. Of course people should learn it if they want to live here. I did! The immigration process (paperwork, $$$, the rude people at the INS offices) is what should be improved to make people choose the legal route. INS should offer English courses for free. Just because someone isn't learning the language doesn't mean they don't want to. It's just like trying to get in shape, some people just don't know where or how to go about it.
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2006/05/08, 03:27 PM
If someone wants to come to America, they need to conform to American stadards and not the other way around. By all means do not give up their culture but they must adapt to ours. If they want to remain doing the same as they were in their country, stay there. As for it being a hassle to become legal, it should be. To maintain the security of our country, it is a must
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2006/05/08, 03:58 PM
The paperwork is not a hassle, it's highly confusing. In my experience confusion can lead to misinformation which can hinder the security of our country. I have many intelligent friends and family members that had a difficult time to correctly understand most of the forms. It's like a guessing game. The same information could be gathered in an easier way and the people working at INS could be friendlier and more helpful. These are just my thoughts on trying to stop the illegal immigrations.:)
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2006/05/08, 04:10 PM
Maybe we can skip the wall and just add more paperwork!!! :big_smile:
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2006/05/08, 04:21 PM
:big_smile:
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2006/05/08, 05:58 PM
Welcome to Canada... "the true north, strong & free!"
When an imigrant arrives here, (refugee status) they are given free med through our medicare system, a hotel until they find lodging, and welfare! In the usa I beleive they are in a celluntill they can prove otherwise. The legal imigrants I beleive do deserve to come to us as they are resourceful and add to our diverse cultures. They take on alot of manuakl jobs that most of us wouldn't want to do etc.
Imigrants escaped death in Europe with zero and made a life for themselves here (including my parents) so how do we classify an imigrant? My answer is...they must earn to stay here, or go back!
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2006/05/09, 07:23 AM
Every country has to deal with immigration one way or another and the United States is definitely not alone - look at the United Kingdom whose national meal is now curry (with a much similar problem to Canada regarding healthcare and welfare)! Sure, you can build walls and create confusing paperwork to try to keep people out, but at the end of the day people will enter any way they can. I used to work for an immigration lawyer in the USA, and have since myself moved to a foreign country where I am enjoying the wonders of immigration (I even got deported when immigration failed to extend my visa, but was able to secure another visa and return within months!). I have worked with people who for years have tried to immigrate into the United States legally and could not. It is devistating.
You have to remember that many of us were lucky enough to be born in a country such as the United States where there is a lot of money and opportunity. Many people are not so lucky. Immigration is very expensive to do the right way and for those who live in absolute slums, illegal immigration is the only way. I've spent a fortune on my immigration and I am still only at the beginning stages towards permanent residency. What would you do if you were in their position? I would be surprised if you did not try go across a border where you knew a better life for yourself and your family lay. If you are willing to work hard, pay your taxes, uphold national security etc., etc., etc. then why shouldn't you be allowed to begin a new life in a foreign country?
Should immigrants learn to speak the language - this is a tough one. I used to believe that those who immigrate should learn the native language until I lived in an American expat community in a foreign country and realised how easy it is not to assimilate with one's surroundings! When central American immigrants go to the USA, they set up in Spanish speaking neighborhoods where there is no need to learn English. That being said, I was unpleasantly surprised when during my most recent trip to the USA all the products were bilingual. It happened in only four months! On the one hand it's extremely frustrating, but from a pure business perspective I'm surprised it did not happen earlier.
The place to look is the EU, which has even greater problems than the United States. It will be interesting to see how, over an extended period of time, the free movement of persons, goods, services and enterprise over national borders will effect each nation individually.
All that said, I have been reading the forums here quite regularly since I gotten into fitness a few months back. However, this is my first time posting. I quite like the forum and think it has helped me reach my goals.
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2006/05/09, 10:43 AM
Good first post and interesting info. Although I would agree that it may be expensive and frustrating to do it legally, it does not make doing it illegally the right way to do it. If I cannot afford a certain auto that would benefit my family, I cannot just take it. I cannot agree with the position that if I cannot do it legally then it is ok to do it illegally.
As for the language, everyone needs to be able to speak and understand english if living in the US regardless of what language they speak in their homes or neighborhood. It is that simple
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2006/05/09, 01:29 PM
Now if spelling were a requirement, I would have to be illegal myself. :big_smile:
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2006/05/09, 03:10 PM
Are we talking about me? I know that I may have some redneck expressions but I think that I express myself as if I have attended a class or two
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2006/05/09, 05:18 PM
no faethers rufled hear. eye c the humoor two :big_smile:
(last last sentence is a joke)
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2006/05/09, 05:43 PM
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...but biganderew...you might want to look into spellcheck.:)
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whos biganderew?
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2006/05/09, 05:54 PM
:big_smile::laugh:
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2006/05/09, 09:23 PM
speaking and typing are 2 completly different things....I'm a bad typist...however that doesn't mean I'm a hypocrite ....and can't speak good english.
This is a forum, long as the point is gotten across...whats the big deal?
English language is a hard language....Its different if they are trying to speak.....but most don't...but yet they don't mind speaking spanish back and forth where thier friends....which I find is rude, mkes me feel like they are hiding somthing.
And most don't pay taxes....you have to have a social security number to do that! Most are paid under the table.
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2006/05/09, 10:03 PM
Before any one comes to Quebec from another country, the first thing they have to do is take french courses if they can't speak french! We need doctor's nurses etc, but they are not alowed to come here to work unless they can prove themselves through a french test (go figure,try that on an English imigrant) oh and if you didn't go to english school here in Quebec your children MUST go to a french school, and that being said, Canada is a bilingual country and we all get along, but Quebec is different from the rest and I'm stuck here!
Thanks for the interesting post "Anderew"
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Montreal Canada
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2006/05/09, 11:40 PM
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Shaing all the world...
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one
John Lennon (Oct.9,1940-Dec.8,1980)
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2006/05/10, 04:50 AM
atiger -
Point taken. By no means was I supporting that anyone do anything illegally (see my user name); I was trying to look at things from a more social perspective. However, comparing illegal immigration to stealing a car is like comparing apples to oranges. If you cannot afford a car, you are able to buy a cheaper one or take public transport or ride a bicycle. However, when you are stuck living in a country and are unable to immigrate there are no alternatives. I'm sure someone will answer that more education, etc. will lend a better future for one's family in such a scenario, but please remember that not everyone is as lucky as we are.
Maybe this will put things into better perspective. Americans think that immigration to the USA is so easy etc. However, in the country that I am in now, they think immigration into the States is so difficult. They think immigration into their own country is quite easy and are very surprised with my personal immigration trials and tribulations!
Basically, my point is that there is no easy answer to immigration. There will never be a perfect answer, but it is clear that reform is necessary.
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Good first post and interesting info. Although I would agree that it may be expensive and frustrating to do it legally, it does not make doing it illegally the right way to do it. If I cannot afford a certain auto that would benefit my family, I cannot just take it. I cannot agree with the position that if I cannot do it legally then it is ok to do it illegally.
As for the language, everyone needs to be able to speak and understand english if living in the US regardless of what language they speak in their homes or neighborhood. It is that simple
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2006/05/10, 08:10 AM
THere is no way that we are all going to agree on this. I believe as my ancestors (great grand parents on one side and farther back on the other side), all came over got a start etc. However, we now have a bit of a different peoblem here at this time. I amnot sure what the cure is all I know is that I do not want to pay for someone to get services that TAXPAYING americans do not get.
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2006/05/10, 09:34 AM
Law, now I never said that legal immagration was easy. It should be hard in my opinion. It is not like moving from city to city. Regardless to how hard it is, how much someone wants to better their family, and how bad the living situation is in some other countries may be, it should be done legally. As for my example, it may be a little apples to oranges but it shows that the "benefit for my family" arguement is not the point. It is ILLEGAL means to get the benefit. I agree that I do not really know how lucky I am but I can not feel bad about that fact.
I also agree that there is not an easy solution. The problem is we as a country are so worried about offending any group of people that we just sit there. This world is a scary place and we need to protect it any way possible.
Just wondering what country are you in now?
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atiger -
Point taken. By no means was I supporting that anyone do anything illegally (see my user name); I was trying to look at things from a more social perspective. However, comparing illegal immigration to stealing a car is like comparing apples to oranges. If you cannot afford a car, you are able to buy a cheaper one or take public transport or ride a bicycle. However, when you are stuck living in a country and are unable to immigrate there are no alternatives. I'm sure someone will answer that more education, etc. will lend a better future for one's family in such a scenario, but please remember that not everyone is as lucky as we are.
Maybe this will put things into better perspective. Americans think that immigration to the USA is so easy etc. However, in the country that I am in now, they think immigration into the States is so difficult. They think immigration into their own country is quite easy and are very surprised with my personal immigration trials and tribulations!
Basically, my point is that there is no easy answer to immigration. There will never be a perfect answer, but it is clear that reform is necessary.
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2006/05/10, 10:54 AM
I have to agree with your last statement too. This is off the original subject but a few years ago my wife and I were living very paycheck to paycheck. When we would go to get groceries we would have to add up everything including tax while shopping. If we went over our amt, items would have to go back. One day we got the line and there was someone in front of me with about 4 t-bones. I was dreaming about thoses steaks and wishing I could get just one of them. The person then proceeded to pull out food stamps and paid for them. I was furious. Alot of government assistance programs started out well but now alot of the people take advantage of them. Now back to the subject. I do not think that anyone who has made an opinion on illegal immagration has stated that it is the ONLY problem with the system but it does add to it.
Hope you get help you need with your son
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2006/05/10, 11:21 AM
atiger -
Sorry, I did not mean to insinuate that you said immigration was easy at all. I can see now how my message could be read that way - so my apologies for the misunderstanding. I was referring to my family, actually, whom happen to think that anyone and everyone comes to the USA to live! Also, I understand the point you were making about illegality (re: cars and such), but it is flawed logic (apples and oranges). Let us agree to disagree, give a handshake and vow never to discuss immigration again. :) Here I thought it was just religion and politics that were off limits! :laugh:
I choose not to divulge where I am now. However, I will tell you that I am now someplace in Europe.
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2006/05/10, 11:43 AM
Never took it bad at all. A healthy discussion is always good. So, going a little 007 are ya?
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2006/05/10, 11:58 AM
Nothing wrong with a healthy discussion, but once you know it is not going anywhere it's time to move on (and besides I should be studying for my exams). Though, it would be something if we could fix the world in a freetrainers.com forum. However, it seems we will have to settle for making the world a healthier place one body at a time.
AND, nothing wrong with a little mystery either. :cool:
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2006/05/10, 02:11 PM
funy how "law stundent" JUST happened in on this discussion for her VERY 1st post?
coinsidance(sp)?
oh if only I were president...
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2006/05/10, 04:59 PM
atiger welfare is something like 400$ a month...can u survive on that? In San Francisco unless u have assisted public housing and live with a big family it's not possible to survive on that... my mom deals with people at her job like this daily...and its a struggle to pay the bills...and buy food...
although what u saw may have upset u , it could have been a singular case of a huge family putting all their resources together to buy food....t-bone stakes or not....many mexican families live with many generations in the same household....as do many asian families...etc...also remember just because u see 1 person abusing the system...doesnt mean every1 does...u just got such a strong reaction/view thereafter because it's so vivid in your mind...
and yea this topic is way too broad...it's on the same level as abortion adn other hot button political issues....
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2006/05/10, 05:44 PM
Heck ,i could barely survive on what I made then. i know that there are alot of people that need assitance but you cannot deny that there is way too much abuse of that system. There needs to be more accountablilty for people that use the system. Also, that was not my only run in with people that abused the system just one off the top of my head. I have worked in the collection business and saw it often. Alot of people using what they can get for free and not working for anything. Again, I am not saying that it is the majority but it is a larger portion than most realize. Heck, i have even seen it in my family.
Completely off of any of these subjects but Menace I really want to let you know that your comments are very helpful in you posts.
now onto religion.....:big_smile:
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2006/05/10, 07:35 PM
glad to help atiger...
I generally dont like to get into such discussions and was trying to avoid it for abit...because often people get into heated arguments on such issues....especially where political views are so different... San Francisco/Berkley are probably some of the most liberal places in US...vs Midwest and other places where there are a lot of conservatives who starkly disagree with almost everything west coast liberals think...LOL...
wonder what people thought about Stephen Colberts bit at the White House Correspondents Dinner...
http://www.shanson-plus.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=6563
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2006/05/10, 11:16 PM
Well, if you are west coast - I disagree. Im from the deep south, no conservatives here. LOL :big_smile:
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2006/05/10, 11:22 PM
lol....are u in hell? (sorry adam sandler movie...lol)
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2006/05/11, 04:06 AM
Haha! Well, bigandrew, if you want I can pretend not to have posted on this discussion and post my "first" discussion on how to get a flat stomach/a six pack/lose 20 lbs in 30 seconds, etc. ;)
The fact that I have posted here first means one of three things:
1. That I have many feelings on the topic;
2. That I have selected the correct career choice (legal issues are clearly something to which I am innately drawn); or
3. That I need to get out more.
Perhaps it is a mixture of all three!
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funy how "law stundent" JUST happened in on this discussion for her VERY 1st post?
coinsidance(sp)?
oh if only I were president...
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2006/05/11, 05:35 AM
LOL...take that...! kitty has claws....ok no more american dad for me...LOL
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2006/05/11, 01:14 PM
The way I see it. We are pretty much free & welcome to work there so why should we not welcome the same in return?
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2006/05/11, 02:19 PM
my 1st act of president woudl be to legalize the "weed" and put a big tax on it....hell its sold anyways...might as well get soem revinue huh?
2nd. Lower taxes on need to have items: bread, cheses, milk, meats,eggs....the 'wic" aproved items. And raises taxes on the non essential foods: pop tarts, cokes,cerials(sugery)
3rd. Up the taxes on cigs, beer( sorry guys), liquer, wines.
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People don't reach thier true potental, only those who seek it.
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2006/05/11, 02:24 PM
Hey BA...welcome to Canada...except the first item, you'd have to go to Amsterdam for that one...but give Canada time, it's already been decriminalized:)
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2006/05/11, 03:25 PM
I believe food items are tax free...
Agreed with everything else...I believe mexico is legalizing all drugs in small amounts....ie...for personal use...
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2006/05/11, 08:34 PM
I may be wrong but I think the president of Mexico did not pass that bill. Something to do with most citizens running off to America. :laugh:
And Menace, It is not hell here in the south but come July it is about as hot
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2006/05/12, 06:24 AM
LOL...it's nice and cool here all year round....if u dont mind the clouds 24-7....it's hot here like one week a year in sept or oct...
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2006/05/12, 01:02 PM
I HAVE A PLAN TO DESTROY AMERICA
RICHARD D. LAMM (past Governor of Colorado)
A Frightening Analysis
We all know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that context his thoughts are particularly poignant. Last week there was an immigration-overpopulation conference in Washington, DC, filled to capacity by many of American's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor named Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book, "Mexifornia," explaining how immigration — both legal and illegal — was destroying the entire state of California. He said it would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream.
Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America. The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United States. He said, "If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.'"
"Here is how they do it," Lamm said: First to destroy America, "Turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bicultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. The historical scholar Seymour Lipset put it this way: 'The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy. Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans."
Lamm went on: Second, to destroy America, "Invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. I would make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.
Third, "We could make the United States a 'Hispanic Quebec' without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: 'The apparent success of our own multiethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved! Not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentrically and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.'"
Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America reinforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities."
"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school."
"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I would get all minorities to think their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population."
"My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity! Unity is what it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshiped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic Games.
A common enemy Persia threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to over come two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell.
"E. Pluribus Unum" — From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'Unum,' we can balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."
"Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits ~ make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'x! xenophobes' halt discussion and debate."
"Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established multi-culturism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America, it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them."
In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally he said, "Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book Mexifornia. His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book."
There was no applause.
A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Every discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate 'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in America — take note of California and other states — to date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book "1984." In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery," and "Ignorance is strength."
Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy are deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American Dream.
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2006/05/12, 01:08 PM
Now of course you know he will be branded a racist etc. I agree with a lot of the points to a certain degree, the best one is that while immigration WAS good for USA it may not still be good.
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2006/05/12, 01:26 PM
Not exactly Mutt. It's more a matter of a house divided... History bears this out over and over. Either be an American or more specifically allow your self to be assimilated into the culture of your nation of choice or sooner or later that nation will be destroyed.
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2006/05/12, 01:32 PM
I know Charlie I have studied History a bit LOL. I can see that coming. It is just our culture is now so divided that it will take a miracle to fix it. It makes me glad that we are not at war like we were in the 40's cause I doubt we could put a solid front like that again.
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