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master2976 Posts: 14 Joined: 2002/12/26	2003/01/09, 11:11 PM In a situation where one would like to build mass (mostly lean muscle) and build strength with the help of a supplement would you guys recomend creatine or whey protein. I know both help in different ways but if you had to pick one which would it be? It would be ideal to take both but I'm asking because supplements aren't the cheapest things in the world and I could afford either one or the other. Thanks=)
mrmagical Posts: 302 Joined: 2002/12/12	2003/01/09, 11:32 PM Protein realy is the building block.Id go with that till u get some xtra money then id take both.
anewfoundsin Posts: 37 Joined: 2003/01/04	2003/01/10, 12:47 AM im takin protein in form of energy bars (20g per bar) is this good enough since i eat *okay* in protein intake (just eggs, rice and milk, no meat)
mikencharleston Posts: 1,585 Joined: 2002/01/09	2003/01/10, 07:47 AM Protein bars are ok as long as you realize all protein bars aren't created equal. Check the label and as someone said the other day, if there's something there that ends in 'tose, you're possibly getting a lot more sugar than you think.
Carivan Posts: 8,542 Joined: 2002/01/20	2003/01/10, 03:15 PM Go for the protien and look carefully at the numbers. -------------- The trouble with jogging is that, by the time you realize you are not in shape for it, it is too far to walk back! Franklin P. Jones Ivan Montreal Canada
rebfootball Posts: 20 Joined: 2003/01/03	2003/01/10, 04:07 PM Why do you say look carefully at the number carivan. I know this is probally a stupid question but Im just starting to get into weightlifting so I assume you are talking about how much of something it has?
Carivan Posts: 8,542 Joined: 2002/01/20	2003/01/10, 05:45 PM Rebfootball....not a stupid question at all. Supplement companies are all out there to make $$$. I've seen powders as low as 12grams of protien per scoop. That would not be to beneficial for you or I , as we would be going through the stuff pretty fast. The higher the number the better. Also very important is the amount of carbs and fat. Most people are trying to keep bodyfat down, so we want those numbers as low as possible. One more thing,the serving of protien per scoop should be 75% or more per scoop. If it is not there are a lot of fillers in it,and we are wasting $$. You may want to choose a whey protien. Hope this helps. -------------- The trouble with jogging is that, by the time you realize you are not in shape for it, it is too far to walk back! Franklin P. Jones Ivan Montreal Canada
ageis Posts: 198 Joined: 2002/10/25	2003/01/10, 07:56 PM I recommend whey protein. Gets absorbed fast so take it as a post work-out drink or take half before and half after. It contains 2g fat, 4g carb, 2g Sugars and 20g protein per scoop (this is the one I'm currently taking). Most brands are in the same ballpark. Hope this helps
mrmagical Posts: 302 Joined: 2002/12/12	2003/01/10, 08:17 PM Hey this whey protein seems really good which i am taking here are the stats - Mega Whey Made by Pro Peformance Gnc protein -40 GRAMS 5 grams of glutamine 3 grams of BCAA serving size 3 scoops =63 GRAMS servings per container 36... cOST 60 DOLLARS......
mrmagical Posts: 302 Joined: 2002/12/12	2003/01/10, 10:58 PM Oh 5 pounds by the whey lol....
maab Posts: 35 Joined: 2002/04/29	2003/01/11, 10:24 AM Hello, Please forgive me if I ask: have you guys ever been concerned about the creatine intakes? As many of you already know, in some country creatine substances are illigal for health reason. I don't intend to offed anyone here, it’s me that I never pushed my self to “take the chance”. Regards,
Carivan Posts: 8,542 Joined: 2002/01/20	2003/01/11, 11:04 AM Every country is diiferent. I am not a person of legal authority, but creatine is found naturally in foods that we eat. It is one of the few products permitted for athletes in the Olympic Games. Just out of curiosity, where is it ilegal? Oh, heres something strange about vitamins....Here in Canada, it is ilegal for a protien manufacturer to combine vitamins in the same container as the protien powder. So, go figure that one out! -------------- The trouble with jogging is that, by the time you realize you are not in shape for it, it is too far to walk back! Franklin P. Jones Ivan Montreal Canada
rebfootball Posts: 20 Joined: 2003/01/03	2003/01/11, 02:13 PM Today I went out and bought some Mega Whey from GNC and it tasted really bad. I mixed it with water and it is strawberry flavored, what else can I mix it with? Anything?
chris789 Posts: 99 Joined: 2002/09/06	2003/01/11, 03:43 PM I take strawberry flavored Myoplex, which is a meal replacement. I mix it with milk and a banana. By itself it's so so, but the banana really makes it tastes much better. You can try pouring the milk, the protein, and cutting up the banana and throwing it in a blender. Hope that helps.
mrmagical Posts: 302 Joined: 2002/12/12	2003/01/11, 05:35 PM Hey reb i have the same kind its not the greatest tasting stuff lol but the stats look good do this : add 4 ounces of milk 12 ounces of water and BAM!!!! it taste a little better not the greatest taste but trust me better than just water i tried that arggg....
rebfootball Posts: 20 Joined: 2003/01/03	2003/01/11, 07:02 PM ok chris and mrmagical I will try both of those. I take weightlifting as a class and I was thinking about drinking the whey stuff during breakfast and then creatine after I lift. Will that be fine? Or should I drink the whey before I lift?
ageis Posts: 198 Joined: 2002/10/25	2003/01/11, 07:54 PM I like 2percent milk and a tablespoon of strawberry syrup with my 100% whey and l-glutamine. I down it as if there was no tomorrow. Pretty good stuff.
rebfootball Posts: 20 Joined: 2003/01/03	2003/01/11, 08:58 PM Should I take whey and creatine on days that I do not work out?
Carivan Posts: 8,542 Joined: 2002/01/20	2003/01/11, 09:01 PM Take your protien everyday, I take it 2-3 times a day even on off days. On training day I have b4 and after. The creatine should also be taken b4 and after for better effect. Hope this helps. -------------- The trouble with jogging is that, by the time you realize you are not in shape for it, it is too far to walk back! Franklin P. Jones Ivan Montreal Canada
rebfootball Posts: 20 Joined: 2003/01/03	2003/01/11, 09:03 PM so just take the creatine on days I work out?
mrmagical Posts: 302 Joined: 2002/12/12	2003/01/11, 09:23 PM no take creatine every day i found that check this out drink powdered creatine 1 hour b4 work out and right after work out . As for me i take a protein drink a hour after work out and every day 1 time, the 40 grams of protein suffice me as i try to eat alot of protein during the day chicken tuna egg whites if i had more money i would take more protein drinks lol but a 40 gram extra protein boost per day helps me enough GL
mrmagical Posts: 302 Joined: 2002/12/12	2003/01/11, 10:05 PM reb reach my aol instant messenger at rzkelly13
maab Posts: 35 Joined: 2002/04/29	2003/01/12, 01:47 AM awnsering to carivan: the creatine is certainly illegal in france; and other country expressed concerne about the uknown effecs of it in a long term usage.
Lumina20 Posts: 966 Joined: 2001/10/31	2003/01/12, 12:43 PM it's illegal in france? where does philia buy it then?
ageis Posts: 198 Joined: 2002/10/25	2003/01/12, 01:39 PM online maybe?
pepper78 Posts: 4 Joined: 2003/01/14	2003/01/14, 01:22 PM Hi everyone! I take creatine and Designer Protein whey powder. I love the combo! I don`t mind the taste, I tried Strawberry and Chocolate just with water. Just a note: anyone else notice a big difference in the brands of creatine? I had creatine(phosphagen)by EAS, now I have a brand supplied by a canadian store (Old Fashion Foods)it seems not as good. It is a very noticeable difference! it says its 100% creatine!
ageis Posts: 198 Joined: 2002/10/25	2003/01/15, 11:19 PM lol, talk about an all-in-one.
mothboy Posts: 17 Joined: 2003/01/03	2003/01/19, 12:28 PM Hey what happen If I run out of whey protein and I still eat how I eated when I had the whey protein??? well just food no protein, does that mean tha I will be less bigger again or I will be big and it doesn't matter if I'm still taking whey protein or not? -------------- Pain is weakness leaving the body
mackfactor Posts: 766 Joined: 2002/10/17	2003/01/23, 05:21 PM That's a good question. It's better to ask than to assume that it's okay because the FDA hasn't cut it off . . . yet. Creatine is one of the most studied, longest lived supplements on the market. The results are overwhelming - it does work and it is safe . . . under regular circumstances. A friend told me a story about two high school wrestlers that died while taking it. Why? They were uneducated. As wrestlers they were trying to lose weight to fit into their weight class. Many wrestlers do this by dehydrating themselves. Creatine uses your body's water to hyperhydrate your muscles. The label specifically says to drink a lot of water (I think you know what comes next). Because the two boys were dehydrating themselves AND taking creatine - the creatine was pulling the water from their bodies and putting it in their muscles, but away from vital organs. I imagine they probably showed symptoms of extreme dehydration but ignored them. Creatine is very safe, so long as you're not completely irresponsible. ============ Quoting from maab: Hello, Please forgive me if I ask: have you guys ever been concerned about the creatine intakes? As many of you already know, in some country creatine substances are illigal for health reason. I don't intend to offed anyone here, it’s me that I never pushed my self to “take the chance”. Regards, ============= -------------- "Don't follow leaders and watch your parking meters!" -- Bob Dylan
mackfactor Posts: 766 Joined: 2002/10/17	2003/01/23, 05:23 PM You take 15g of creatine a day? Fair enough, it's your money you're wasting . . . ============ Quoting from 15lifter: I take my protien shake N Large 2, with two scoops, and mix it with 1 cup milk, 1 cup Dannon's yogout (fruit on bottom), about 15g of creatine, and a bannana with some ice cubes..and blend it...taste good..and I believe it has alot of Protien ============= -------------- "Don't follow leaders and watch your parking meters!" -- Bob Dylan
stacy3160 Posts: 2 Joined: 2004/08/25	2004/08/25, 08:25 PM Does protein whey help you to lose weight? When should you take it? Any help on this matter of weight loss would be appreciated.
snipura Posts: 70 Joined: 2003/12/04	2004/08/29, 06:11 AM If u want to just loose weight, u dont need to take anything. Do lots of cardiovascular workout, like running
migo Posts: 20 Joined: 2003/01/06	2004/09/02, 07:25 PM ============ Quoting from mackfactor: A friend told me a story about two high school wrestlers that died while taking it. Why? They were uneducated. As wrestlers they were trying to lose weight to fit into their weight class. Many wrestlers do this by dehydrating themselves. Creatine uses your body's water to hyperhydrate your muscles. The label specifically says to drink a lot of water (I think you know what comes next). Because the two boys were dehydrating themselves AND taking creatine - the creatine was pulling the water from their bodies and putting it in their muscles, but away from vital organs. I imagine they probably showed symptoms of extreme dehydration but ignored them. Creatine is very safe, so long as you're not completely irresponsible. ============= Yikes, how many weight classes were they trying to drop?
stacy3160 Posts: 2 Joined: 2004/08/25	2004/09/06, 05:54 PM thank you snipura
solidmoe Posts: 7 Joined: 2005/11/19	2006/03/13, 04:58 PM I would never take creatine because it seems pretty dangerous, especially migo's story. I have purchased designer whey protein, I like it very much, great taste and there are so much benefits that go with it. Trust Me on it.
Nyxtikal Posts: 268 Joined: 2005/09/20	2006/03/13, 06:12 PM you realize this post is 2 yrs old right?
	2006/03/13, 06:14 PM Creatine is perfectly safe...I have been taking it continuously for over 3 years now and it's perfectly safe....there's absolutely not 1 study that proved it dangerous in healthy persons to begin with......just because 2 dumb people misused a supplement doesn't mean it's dangerous.... Next will be discussing how dangerous tylenol or aspirin is because some idiot swallowed a whole bottle and died....well no sh&t sherlock if it says no more than 2 tablets x times a day and with a bunch of warnings....then do what it says.... Most supplements are useless but not dangerous....It's stupidity/ignorance that's dangerous.....
wrestler125 Posts: 4,619 Joined: 2004/01/27	2006/03/13, 09:42 PM Creatine is found in everything you eat that contains protein. Think its dangerous? Better put down that steak. Chicken, tuna, even your whey protein shake are out of the question. Matter of fact, I think I remember hearing that water is dangerous. -------------- Iron and chalk. Pain is only temporary, it is in your mind. If you can still walk, then you can still run.
jestrada78945 Posts: 1 Joined: 2006/06/18	2006/06/18, 09:39 PM i would take 3 glasses of whey protein and in 4 months i got better results than just plain excersice in 2 years -------------- estradaj
edivecchio Posts: 81 Joined: 2006/05/20	2006/08/18, 04:57 PM If you can afford to buy enough food to satisfy your protein needs, then you don't need supplements. But a lot of times such as in my case it easier to get your needs in and it is also cheaper for me to drink my whey protein shakes. I use Optimum Nutrition 100% Whey. I get it very cheap online. It's also very low in carbs which helps with keeping trim. Creatine can be ok if you use it properly. :)
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2006/08/18, 08:49 PM Be aware, whey protien is fast acting, and thus faster amino acid oxidation. Hunger comes quick as gastric emptying is hurried. This may in fact lead to more calorie intake. I would suggest a casein protein or at the very least a blend throughout the day if you are going to use any supplement. -------------- Maximus from Gladiator....Strength and Honor!
edivecchio Posts: 81 Joined: 2006/05/20	2006/08/18, 09:27 PM Good point bb1fit. I forgot to mention that I usually add a high-glycemic index carb since the whey is fast-acting. I usually add some rice or quaker oats or something. It usually does the job. :) With the casein protein, I like to have a glass of skim milk before I go to bed. It is slower absorbed and helps through the night.
slappzilla Posts: 3 Joined: 2007/03/01	2007/03/01, 08:30 AM ============ Quoting from bb1fit: Be aware, whey protien is fast acting, and thus faster amino acid oxidation. Hunger comes quick as gastric emptying is hurried. This may in fact lead to more calorie intake. I would suggest a casein protein or at the very least a blend throughout the day if you are going to use any supplement. ============= I apologize for being uneducated, but can you explain "Hunger comes quick as gastric emptying is hurried." in moron terms? Are you saying that casein protein should be taken with whey protein, or a person should take casein protein instead of whey protein?
climuel Posts: 7 Joined: 2007/03/15	2007/03/29, 07:58 PM All these comments were beneficial. So basically whey protein is the way to go for size and muscle recouperation???
globeman Posts: 1 Joined: 2007/05/13	2007/05/13, 11:22 PM hey guys im 16 and iv been working out for 1 1/2 years and im starting to take protein shake its called (probolic-sr) someone told me this is the best stuff out there is this true. and will protein shakes make you fat.
danny_tuff Posts: 85 Joined: 2006/11/12	2007/05/14, 06:06 AM Firstly the best protein powder doesnt exsist, it will totally depend on your goals and how well you have the rest of your nutrition worked out. A protiein shake will not make you fat if your smart about it. If you have a slow metabolism and your downing a 1000 calorie shake after you just stuffed down sum maccas and sum fatty steaks it will make you fat but it wont be because of the protein it will be because you didn't fit it into your diet(hope maccas isnt in your diet by the way). -------------- OBSESSION is a word the lazy use to describe the DEDICATED
engl4nd34 Posts: 17 Joined: 2007/06/13	2007/06/13, 05:18 PM I take both. I take 5g of Creatine Monohydrate daily, along with a protein shake containing 24g of protein, 500mg of arginine, 500g of glutamine and alot of other "stuff".
blessed6386 Posts: 6 Joined: 2007/06/06	2007/06/14, 10:43 AM I hope the other stuff is legal
bradmac Posts: 1 Joined: 2008/08/31	2008/08/31, 04:12 AM Hey, i'm just starting weightlifting and was wondering what would be the best supplement to increase my mass, as i am fairly tall and kinda skinny.
	2008/08/31, 12:07 PM If you are just starting the best supplements will be lots of clean food and iron (weights). Do not worry about the supplements. Good luck and welcome to FT. ============ Quoting from bradmac: Hey, i'm just starting weightlifting and was wondering what would be the best supplement to increase my mass, as i am fairly tall and kinda skinny. =============

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