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2004/02/25, 08:04 PM
If I split my body into 4 major areas (bis/chest, tris/back, legs, shoulders/calves) what are the effects of working out every day?
What is the effect of an hour of intense cardio (say a soccer game) on my muscles? And, should I work out before or after cardio?
Should I be supplimenting with anything to conpensate for any of these? I currently only use whey protein after workout.
Sorry for the questions but since the change I can't find the search function anymore.
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2004/02/25, 08:10 PM
Found the search, was it always at the bottom? And, what is fitBuddy? Sounds like an advertisement.
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2004/02/25, 08:16 PM
Fit buddy is the search engines name.
Your muscles need to recover and grow after a workout. The don't grow while lifting. Lifting actually tears them down. The rest time is when they grow. You will get better results if you lift on off days from cardio.
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Some times life is like herding cats.
Charlie
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2004/02/25, 08:40 PM
If I work one muscles group every 4 days is that enough rest or does working out other muscles groups not count as rest on the original? Anyone ever feel lazy on 'rest' days? I think I'm addicted.
When the ground thaws and dries up I plan on playing soccer every day. How much can this effect the muscles? Is working out then just a waste?
What type of workout would a professional athlete have?
Just got interested in this because I saw on Sportsnet (Americans read: ESPN) that some athletes workout as much as twice a day!
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2004/02/25, 08:54 PM
Every 4 days may be ok. Everone is different. Most people need more recovery time. Also remember that you hit the same muscles secondarily on different days. As to pros, I can't speak to that but remember they have the best food, trainers,facilities,doctors and conditions in which to train. Most are exceptional atheletes. One in a thousand good high school atheletes make it to the pros.
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Some times life is like herding cats.
Charlie
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2004/02/25, 08:56 PM
The best way to find that out is to do it! 4 days for some folks would be adequate, and for some muscle groups adequate. It really depends on the extent you work them. You know how hard you work them better than anyone. Experiment, if you rest each 4 days and train them again with no problems, for instance not losing strength, not getting irratible, making gains, then this works for you. The key is learning your body and finding the optimal recovery time for you. I find 6 days to work well for me for example. Sometimes if I really brutalize a body part like legs, I will go 7 days.
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bb1fit@freetrainers.com
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2004/02/25, 09:01 PM
I know the lazy feeling; I'm addicted with you.
You must let those muscles rest to grow. If you don't care about them growing (hypertrophy) or if overtraining doesn't concern you, then there is no need to rest.
But since I know those things do concern you, and you've made it clear that you'd rather not have lounge lizard days in between your Olympia days, we can figure out a compromise.
Based on experience, some advice from this board, and way too many articles I've read, here's what I'll suggest (this really is/was metadiscourse, but I won't say it again :D )
1. Your split is fine. You will use secondary and tertiary muscles for the major groups that will borrow from a group you've worked recently. That's ok.
2. It's best to seperate cardio days from lifting days. Cardio, here, is defined as an aerobic activity done for 30 minutes or more (not a 10 or 12 minute warm-up skate on the cross trainer).
3. If you insist on doing cardio on the same day as weights, do it after. I wasted nearly a year of growth thinking that because I was older w/previous injuries that cardio served as a great warm-up. It burnt up my glycogen stores before I could say, "What third set?"
4. Your protein supp. is good. Add creatine and a daily vitamin and that should suffice. I take about 18 pills daily but more for the entertainment of being a self-producing science project than anything else.
5. This sort of deserves it's own number, because it's all about recovery. Get ZMA (Zinc Magnesium Aspartate) and L-Glutamine for recovery. ZMA also offers a great, refreshing night of sleep.
Best of luck.
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Jeff Goldblum, Jurassic Park II
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2004/02/25, 10:48 PM
Thanks guys, especially Ogun! Such a well written and organized post! Just looking at it makes you want to read it!
Two more questions for you though: how much difference can the supplements (creatine, ZMA, and L-Glutamine) make? Speaking strickly as a poor student, is it worth the cost?
18 pills! Geez, I've never swollowed a pill that wasn't prescribed.
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2004/02/25, 11:16 PM
ZMA is invaluable, and for the price, you can't go wrong. Glutamine, if you can find a good deal is well worth using, you can never use too much. though it is not considered an essential amino acid, it should be. If you can use it at no other time, post workout will greatly aid recovery and glycogen uptake.
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bb1fit@freetrainers.com
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2004/02/27, 01:16 AM
BB1 is where I got most of my health education from :) so, yeah, what he said. :laugh: Ron, am I a Jedi yet or training am still I now?
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2004/02/27, 09:45 AM
As for the original question. Yes, you can work out everyday. Heck, if you want you can work out 2-3 times a day everyday. The question is-Do you want reap the maximum benefits from your hard work? If so, you have to find the schedule that suits your individual characteristics. No doubt, there are some that have the ability to recover very quickly. Unfortunately most cannot. I'm beginning to think I may even need to go more than 7 days between specific muscle groups. That is something you don't hear much. But that might be the case for some. I would be interested on some opinions on that aspect of recovery.
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