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2003/06/20, 11:50 AM
Hi Folks,
I NEED A FAVOR from you nutrition gurus please! I need to pick your brains...
I am ready to take things to the next level nutritionally to hit some short-term (end of the year) fat loss goals. I am very motivated and committed to making my nutrition absolutely flawless over the next 6 months. Unfortunately, there are so many ideas as to what “flawless” nutrition really is.
I realize that a nutrition plan is a very individualized thing, but I’m looking for some guidance on either using an existing or developing a new fail-proof nutrition plan. I’m interested in a plan that is the most efficient for fat loss in a 6 month period (“efficient” as in the quickest results with the least amount of muscle loss). Of course, everyone wants this – get in line, saxman! Everybody wants the ultimate “lose fat fast” diet plan!
I’m sure I’m not alone when it comes to wanting to lose fat, but most people I talk to always add, “Yeah, but I won’t eat tuna, and I can’t stand vegetable, or there’s no way I’ll eat 20 egg whites for breakfast, or I can’t eat anything that early in the morning, or how many cheat days do I get, or cottage cheese - yuk!!!”. Here’s my catch... Over the next 6 months (which includes some major holidays AND my vacation!), I’m committed to eat ANY food at ANY time to accomplish my goal. I’m committed to completely give up any semblance of variety, convenience and taste if, say, a chicken, rice, and flax oil diet (for example) gives me the most efficient fat loss. I’ll eat 8 meals a day if necessary – at strange hours if it is optimal. I’m hoping that someone has a more powerful than usual fat loss plan that’s maybe not very appealing to most because of its extremely strict guidelines. That’s what I’m looking for.
I see a lot of programs that need constant and subtle tweaking – you know – try this for 3 weeks and then re-evaluate your results, and then maybe up your carbs by 2% or drop fat by 1%, etc. And in the end, “your results may vary...” There are lots of one-size-fits-all nutrition plans that I’m tired of experimenting with. My commitment is high and my motivation fierce. I want action now and I will do whatever it takes to get the results I’m after. I hear and read of bodybuilders using very strict cutting diets before competitions. Now I’m certainly not in their league, but perhaps there’s some wisdom there that I can use. I know that I have the desire and motivation to stick to this program exactly – and do it for 6 months without deviation... I simply don’t want guesswork here, folks. I want a guarantee!LOL (No fair saying that there are no guarantees in life!) And I’m willing to pay the price. Maybe variety, convenience, and taste are not too much of a sacrifice? I don’t know – what else do I need to give up or do? Tell me! I’m ready.
Now the big question, of course, is, does such a nutrition plan exist or can it be developed? If a person is willing to give up food variety, convenience, and taste, (and who knows what else?), is there a nutrition program that will promote the most effective form of fat loss (while maintaining the majority of muscle tissue – you know, the most ideal balance possible) in the quickest time frame (I’m investing 6 months and then re-evaluating things at that time)?
So, can I enlist all of your expertise and collectively devise the ultimate “no cheating allowed” diet? Any ideas, folks?
Some specifics if they help...
Current Daily Cals: 3500-4000
Protein: I try to get at least 300g/day
Water: 2.5-3 gallons per day
Weight: Currently 270. Goal: Don’t care. I’m interested in fat loss and waist size!
Pants: 38s (my favorite metric for fat loss) – Goal is 34s and maybe a hint of abs!
Workouts: 5 days/week, first thing in AM. Will change it up if that’s what it takes.
Cardio: I know I’ll be doing lots more!
Time Frame: 26 weeks!
Thanks!
TSMD
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2003/06/20, 01:45 PM
I don't know what everyone else is going to tell you, but I am curious. Everyday on here I read some new thought that has me wondering. This week it was that too much cardio can actually slow down your muscle gains. It seems that everyone's body is different and what is working for one of us might not for someone else. I have heard some say they ate the same meal 8 times a day for 9 months to get to their goal and others have had to try something different every 4-6 weeks. If you get an answer....I'm with ya! I'll keep my fingers crossed.
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...Some things have to be believed to be seen!
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2003/06/20, 02:17 PM
I heard the "too much cardio" thing, too, AZ. Actually, it kind of makes sense. If one does nothing but cardio, or lots of cardio in comparison to weight training, without making appropriate adjustments to nutrition, then it makes sense (at least to me) that you eventually may begin to rob yourself of muscle tissue. I know I have some muscle mass under all this fat – I certainly don’t want to abandon it and it’s metabolism boosting effects by over doing it on cardio. But I have faith in the experts here on FT.
So, AZ, if I find this “magic plan” (or someone helps me find it!), are you willing to jump on the band wagon, too? Even if it means eating, I don’t know, let’s say raw herring and buttermilk for breakfast for 6 months?LOL (Sorry – don’t know where that came from!) Now remember, I said ANY food and I’m stickin’ to my promise – no matter what! How ‘bout you, AZ? You in? Misery loves company, ya know!
TSMD
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2003/06/20, 02:27 PM
Until you said buttermilk and herring I was...lol. I'm a pretty good cook though so I could probably make something edible out of that. Crepes maybe? Count me in. At this point I can see progress so am willing to try most anything to hurry it along. Let's see if we get any suggestions.
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~Victoria~
...Some things have to be believed to be seen!
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2003/06/20, 02:34 PM
Damn it! Seafood crepes in a buttermilk sauce! How the heck did you manage to make that sound good?!LOL
Okay - it's a plan, then. Let's see what kind of feedback we get. Either way, though, I'm counting on you and everyone else for support. It's easy when the motivation is high! But around Christmas when I'm enjoying 75 grams of my holiday tuna and a festive glass of soy nog, I know I'm gonna need you guys!
TSMD
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2003/06/20, 03:30 PM
LMAO....too funny saxman.
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~Victoria~
...Some things have to be believed to be seen!
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2003/06/23, 12:47 PM
Well, here’s the 6-month, no cheating, gonna-change-my-waist meal plan that I’ll be using for 26 weeks starting next week (6/30/2003). I have it on excellent authority that by following this plan to the letter (with a few minor tweaks here and there), I’ll transform myself from Arnold Ziffle to Arnold Schwarzeneggar. All kidding aside, folks, I’ll be making some major changes and plan on sharing some before and after photos around New Years 2004 – so be warned – don’t look if you have a weak stomach! And please continue to throw in an encouraging word now and again – I’m gonna need it over the next 6 months more than ever!
Some key points of interest if you’re keeping score:
(1) This program works out to just over 3000 calories per day and is very nutrient dense (and is targeted at a 270-pound fat guy).
(2) This program assumes serious weight training for 4 days per week. I’ll continue to do Leo Costa’s Titan Training program so I should be okay.
(3) This program also requires cardio a couple days per week to start – increasing as needed. Surprise!
(4) My goals are simple: (1) Pants with a 34” waist by New Years Day 2004 (a tight 34” is even acceptable!), and (2) Maintain (or dare I say increase) my lean mass.
05:00 MEAL 1 --- > Pre-workout protein drink (approx. 20 g)
05:30 WORKOUT (2 cycles of the 12-week Titan Training Program plus 2 extra weeks thrown in for fun)
07:00 MEAL 2 --- > Post-workout protein drink (approx. 40g)
08:30 MEAL 3 --- > Oats, 1 cup; Non-fat Cottage Cheese, ½ cup; Eggs, 2 whole; Egg Whites, 4
10:30 MEAL 4 --- > Lean meat, 6 oz; Beans (black, kidney, lima) (cooked) or brown rice (cooked), 1 cup; Veggies, 2 cups
12:30 MEAL 5 --- > Lean meat (chicken breast, turkey, etc.), 6 oz; Sweet Potato, 6 oz.; Vegetables, 2 cups
15:00 MEAL 6 --- >Tuna, 2 cans or a Protein Drink (approx. 30 g); Apple; Salad, 2 cups; Cider Vinegar, 4 Tbls; Flax Oil, 2 Tbls
17:30 MEAL 7 --- > Sirloin (1x per week max) or Fish (lean, low fat), 6 oz.; Veggies, 2 cups; Flax Oil, 1 Tbl; Natural P-nut Butter, 2 Tbls
20:00 MEAL 8 --- >Egg Whites, 4 (for omelet); Omelet Vegetables (frozen), ½ cup; Flax Oil, 1 Tbl
TSMD
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2003/06/23, 01:35 PM
Ok so a gauntlet is thrown! Who among us has the courage, the aduacity, nay even brain damage to attempt to challenge the mighty, but old, TSMD? Who? Why none other than the Mutt! The defender of FatMen everywhere! LOl I am game but what about hose of us not rich enough for protein shakes?
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Squats are really a very good thing, but in my world, Deadlifts are King!!!!!!!!
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2003/06/23, 02:15 PM
Oh great defender of Fat Men everywhere! LOL Talk about gauntlet!
Fat? Bingo! Mighty? Sure! Old? Okay (but feeling younger!)
But Rich?! Sorry, Charlie! You lose!
The rules were clear... No substitutes, no "cheat days", and variety/taste out the door! 100% guarantee, though, on the results. FYI - I may have to sell some of my pink girlie weights just to buy, of all things, cottage cheese. Yeah, that's right. COTTAGE CHEESE! I am gagging just thinking about it!
Anyway, I suppose if you got the equivalent amount of protein and carbs (with minimal fat) from real food vs. protein shake, it would probably be a wash. I'm not the expert. That's your call. As for me, I'm stickin' with my diet as planned. No variation. Come hell or high water. For 6 months. You see, as an older, mighty, fat guy, (um, you forgot balding), I have finally decided to divorce the spare tire for good. So I'll manage to find a way to make this happen for me, no matter what, in 6 months.
Now, with that macho pre-contest psychological sh!t out of the way, it might be really helpful to have someone with similar goals to share this long 26-week ride - even with a few of your own nutritional variations... I know my complaining will even challenge your motivational savvy, Mutt!
Let me know. I start Monday June 30, 2003 as a fat man and will reveal a lean machine (in 34" pants) on Thursday January 1, 2004. I'll probably be keeping on-line nutrition and workout journals, just to let others share in the misery!LOL
Hey, FT has the old farts (>40) section (of which I am a proud, card-carrying member!) - maybe I'll request a fat person's section for FT! I will be king of my domain! But only for 6 months...
TSMD
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2003/06/23, 02:20 PM
LOL well as you have like what 2 pant sizes to loose I have um well lets see, 50-12 = 38 (carry the one, er no that is not it). I have like 12 inches i wanna loose but lets set it for 10 so I am a nice loose size 40. Come hell or high water. That said i am going to cheat a little here and go on the atkins with mrs. Mutt....so I will challenge ya all right!
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Squats are really a very good thing, but in my world, Deadlifts are King!!!!!!!!
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2003/06/23, 02:50 PM
Piece of cake for you Mutt. You younger guys have that faster metabolism going for you! LOL Plus you'll get extra cardio just chasing the little Muttster around!
Shoot for whatever goal you want, man - that's the key! And come on along for the ride. I'll help in any way I can, but from my perspective, I'm really "competing" with myself more than anyone. I've put this off for too long and I've just reached my limit - I have made the decision that I will change. I know if we each give 110%, we'll both come out winners, regardless of the actual numbers.
See you Monday!
TSMD
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2003/06/23, 02:56 PM
Okay saxman, where did you finally find this 'magic bullet' diet? I have a pretty tight budget too, but find I can afford the protein powders at Wal-Mart. Of course I use them like they are gold. That sounds alot like the plan I am on now, but at 1000 less calories. If my workout is in the afternoon (4-5p) then do I just rearrange the order to accomodate that?
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~Victoria~
...Some things have to be believed to be seen!
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2003/06/23, 02:58 PM
I hear ya and that is the person I am in competion with as well. So lets go for it! I do not want to wait till m old like you to make that final push LOL!
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Squats are really a very good thing, but in my world, Deadlifts are King!!!!!!!!
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2003/06/23, 03:23 PM
Yo AZ!
A competetive bodybuilder friend of mine designed this plan specifically for a fat, 41-year-old guy with a slow metabolism and a spare tire, assuming a 4-day-per-week workout schedule. (Ummm, that's me!) Your mileage may vary, but if your current program is similar (+ or - some "nutrient dense" calories), I'd stick with your program - re-arranging the pre- and post- workout drinks around your workout schedule. The calorie difference is probably due to the fact that either (1) I'm much heavier than you, or (2) you are 4 feet tall!LOL
My buddy made me promise (in blood!) that I was genuinely serious about loosing my gut and committing to the plan. If I so much as deviate slightly from his plan, much less give up in a month or two, he'll taunt me mercilessly and tatoo "LOSER!" on my forehead. Fortunately, I think you can tweak your diet using mine as a guide, without any of the pressure!
TSMD
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2003/06/23, 03:33 PM
I have my measure and weigh-in next weekend. At that time I am changing my workout, so I think I will use your diet as a guide to tweak mine then too. Did you see bb1fit's recipe for the ingredients you have in MEAL 3? I tried them last night and they came out pretty good, kind of like a pancake. Good luck with your new plan. Can't wait to see your pics at the end of the year. You know we are here for moral support.
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~Victoria~
...Some things have to be believed to be seen!
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2003/06/23, 03:47 PM
Thanks AZ! I really appreciate the support!
I've not read BB1's cottage cheese recipe. I have to fight the old gag mechanism every time I even think "cottage cheese"! LOL I'll take a look and give it a shot, though! Your herring crepe in the buttermilk sauce isn't sounding too bad now!
Good luck on your new "tweaked" meal plan and workout plan.
TSMD
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2003/06/23, 03:50 PM
Oh, and Mutt - don't think I didn't notice your "old" comment (again). I had misplaced my bifocals and didn't see it! Laughed so hard, though, I spit out my dentures!
TSMD
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2003/06/23, 04:03 PM
LOL well don't hurt yourself! You know how brittle your old bones are! ANyway, lets really push it and see what happens!!!!!
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Squats are really a very good thing, but in my world, Deadlifts are King!!!!!!!!
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2003/06/23, 05:08 PM
Good luck to both of you!
I don't remember what thread it was in but it's really simple. Put 1/2c cottage cheese, 1/2c oatmeal, 4 eggwhites, vanilla and cinnamon in a blender and blend. Pour onto a hot griddle sprayed with Pam or non-stick skillet and cook like pancakes...or crepes ;). He said top with Atkins sugar/calorie free syrup, but I added a couple pkts of equal to the blend and ate plain. You could top with fruit or sugar free jam too, I guess. I doubled it and got 8 little pancakes at 8.25g carbs, 91.25 cals, 9g protein and 2 g fat each. I think you could even add a scoop of protein powder if you wanted and extra eggs shouldn't hurt. I actually used 3 whites and 1 whole egg. I have trouble eating breakfast, period, so anything like this is a Godsend for me.
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~Victoria~
...Some things have to be believed to be seen!
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2003/06/23, 05:21 PM
It would take 26 of these listed meals to equal just ONE bowl of Total. :))
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2003/06/23, 06:28 PM
haha
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2003/06/23, 08:15 PM
LOL at Ogun!
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2003/06/24, 10:23 AM
Just thought I would throw in some good resources for diet info that I have found to be useful:
Body-for-Life, Bill Phillips
The Fat Burning Diet, Jay Robb (Jay Robb Enterprises, look online)
Championship Bodybuilding, Chris Aceto
I am anxiously awaiting the fedex delivery of Jay Robb's book 'Bodybuilding without Steroids" I will let you know if it is the goldmine I expect it to be....
Good Luck!
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2003/07/01, 09:35 AM
Day one (Monday) is over. Some Saxman Observations...
(1) Oh my God this is a lot of food!
(2) I am never ever hungry, even though eating fewer cals.
(3) Oh my God this is a lot of food!
(4) 3 gallons of water is tough. I did 2 yesterday.
(5) Seems like I'm constantly shoveling food into my mouth!
(6) Felt "warm" all day (not sick, just warm).
(7) You people who like cottage cheese are just plain sick!
(8) Did I mention this is a lot of food!
(9) All natural peanut butter is very "dry" going down!
Re: The feeling warm all day... Maybe some kind of thermogenic food/metabolism thingy going on? Any ideas?
I followed the nutritional plan to the letter. One day down
Re: All natural peanut butter: I waited all day for that "treat" and nearly choked. Have lots of water handy!
TSMD
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2003/07/01, 01:41 PM
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Quoting from tenorsaxmandave:
Yo AZ!
A competetive bodybuilder friend of mine designed this plan specifically for a fat, 41-year-old guy with a slow metabolism and a spare tire, assuming a 4-day-per-week workout schedule. (Ummm, that's me!) Your mileage may vary, but if your current program is similar (+ or - some "nutrient dense" calories), I'd stick with your program - re-arranging the pre- and post- workout drinks around your workout schedule. The calorie difference is probably due to the fact that either (1) I'm much heavier than you, or (2) you are 4 feet tall!LOL
My buddy made me promise (in blood!) that I was genuinely serious about loosing my gut and committing to the plan. If I so much as deviate slightly from his plan, much less give up in a month or two, he'll taunt me mercilessly and tatoo "LOSER!" on my forehead. Fortunately, I think you can tweak your diet using mine as a guide, without any of the pressure!
TSMD
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Can you friend come up with a plan for a 230 lb fat 24 yr old with slow metab? I an working out and even went for a run but I still struggle badly with my food intake.
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2003/07/01, 09:26 PM
tenorsaxmandave, have you ever tried mixing some sugar free jello mix in with your cottage cheese? Actually makes it quite tasty. Strawberry/banana for instance is good. They have a ton of different flavors, no calories. Sounds weird maybe, but it may make it bearable for you.
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As far as genetics go, the skies the limit. You are limited only by your mental perception of it.
Ron
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2003/07/02, 03:31 AM
Way to go saxman! I mentioned that my diet is similar to your new one and I have been feeling extra warm a few times a day too. Now being a woman and in my forties I thought it was hormonal, but my husband thinks it's due more to my muscle gains and better metabolism. Whatever it is it's annoying to me. And just a side note...after 2 months of my new eating plan (which included upping my calories) I am down 5 lbs and over 5 inches. I am so excited. I didn't even gag when cooking up my tons of brown rice, broccoli and chicken breasts for the week...lol!
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...There are no shortcuts to any place worth going.--Beverly Sills
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2003/07/02, 08:07 AM
Yo Tommishuck,
I’ll pass your info along, but he really wanted to ensure that I was serious and committed. He’s keeping a close eye on my every move. He won’t waste his time if you’re not completely serious and committed... So, talk to me... Help me to convince him how serious you are about this.
Yo BB1,
I’ve used a dash of jello in my vanilla protein powder, but in cottage cheese? – never thought of that one! Great idea! My food “cooler” is already packed for today, so I’ll give it a try tomorrow. I guess chocolate flavored jello is out of the question, right?!LOL
Yo Bhardy,
I was told there would be no math! Seriously, I have tried fewer calories, more calories, low fat, low carb, calorie cycling, etc., and have never been really happy with the results. I decided to commit 6 months to my friend’s nutrition plan with no questions asked. Perhaps a strange approach to some, but I am going to follow through. Incidentally, according to my coach, he’ll tweak my diet over time to maximize my results. So, in the long run, he may actually reduce my caloric intake as you suggest... but for now, I am doing as instructed (otherwise, I endure the taunting and the LOSER tattoo!). PS- my 35% body fat number was just an estimate.
Yo AZ!
5 lbs and 5 inches! Way to go! I hope to have those results! Also, I hope my hot flashes are not male menopause! If I’m going through change of life, don’t I need to get started on my mid-life crisis rituals like buying a sports car, getting my ear pierced, and getting a tattoo? (Just kidding, all you folks with sports cars, piercings, and tattoos!). I think the extra food keeps the furnace burning which has a natural thermogenic effect. At least, that’s what I’m hoping. LOL about the gag comment. For me it’s the cottage cheese, but BB1 had a great suggestion.
Thanks all, for the Q's and comments!
TSMD
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2003/07/02, 11:25 AM
LOL at bhardy. Unfortunately, I'm shaped more like a tuba - just big all over!
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2003/07/08, 04:57 PM
Hey saxman, how goes the miracle diet? I know you posted somewhere else, but I wanted to print it again so I can use it for my husband. Are you sticking strictly to it the way it is written, or can you spice it up a little? I still think you should ask your bud about adding a little salsa to your cottage cheese. It's mostly tomato and only has around 10 calories. Makes it bearable for us.
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...There are no shortcuts to any place worth going.--Beverly Sills
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2003/07/09, 08:31 AM
tsmd,
I am VVVEERRYYY serious about getting in shape. I'm 24 yrs old and when I was in high school, I did football, wrestling, track and baseball (outside of school) and was 145 pounds. Today I weight 225-230. Why the increase? Shoulder injury. My Jr year I was hurt during a wrestling match and came out with an AC seperation. I have been very cautious of it ever since. needless to say it only takes one good shoulder to shove food into your mouth to eat away your troubles.
Not only am I wanting to get back into the shape that I was in high school(not concerned with how much I weigh, but rather how I look) but my dad is also vey overweight (200 lbs +). It seems to runs on his side of the family. I love my dad but don't want to see what has happened to him happen to me. Luckly for my dad he has stated the atkins diet and has lost alot of weight and it keeps coming off(for those of you who are reading that think Dr. Atkins is an idiot, your opions are your own, but the man knew his stuff).
I'm still young and willing to take control of my life, just need some help as I have not really done to well on diets. If your freind can help me I would greatly apprciate it.
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2003/07/09, 10:03 AM
Yo AZ,
It’s the middle of week 2 and so far so good. I haven’t cheated, although I have been tempted quite a bit. Actually I did cheat - I added a teaspoon of soy sauce to my fish one night last week (bad Dave). My other big splurge was adding sugar free jello powder to my cottage cheese (yes, my friend approved it!). It helped the taste.
Funny Cottage Cheese Story: The other day I added my now-usual dash of the red jello mix to the cottage cheese and then, in an act of desperation, just dumped the whole mess into my oatmeal. Sorry folks, but those pink curds mixed in with the oats made it look like it was eaten once before. My friend saw it and nearly hurled. Watching me eat it made things even worse for him. Very funny. The taste? Ehh. But who cares about taste, right?
Monday I weighed in at -2 pounds (although I used a different scale than usual). Now granted, when you start with a 270-something frame, you can lose 2 pounds by simply cutting your hair, blowing your nose, and spitting – well actually 3 pounds if you really “get into” the spitting (I’m so sorry...). Anyway, certainly nothing noticeable yet. Size 40 pants are still comfortable and 38s are still snug, but certainly wearable.
(English Grammar 101 Essay) So far I’ve learned the following things...
(1) I physically can’t drink 3 gallons of water every day with this much food.
(2) I always seem to feel warm.
(3) There are way to many TV and radio advertisements for junk food.
(4) Evenly distributing 6 meals every day is very tricky and requires lots of planning and lots of Tupperware.
(5) Protein-rich nutrition plans laced with fibrous carbs cause horrible gas.
(6) Weekends are the most difficult times for me.
(7) I do not “enjoy” eating anymore. This is the most important thing I can take away from this nutrition plan so far. My love of food was my biggest problem. Now, eating is a ritual like driving to work or mowing the grass. Everything I eat has a strict time and purpose. My eating is not for enjoyment (except maybe that apple in the early evening). Every gram of food serves a specific purpose in reaching my goal.
That’s the update. As far as using salsa in the cottage cheese, I’ll see what my buddy has to say about that. Those couple extra fat-free carb calories here or there probably wouldn’t hurt, but I’ll ask him just the same. I’m out all next week and part of the following week. Vacation. It will be interesting taking this feeding plan on the road... Wish me luck.
Yo Tommishuk,
Ah, an emotional eater! Just like me. Well, I will relay your request and information and see what he says. How tall are you (he’ll want to know)? I’ll be out for over a week, so you may not hear anything from me for a while. I will get back to you, though.
In the meantime, you might want to look over the diet he gave me, reduce the portions a bit, and give it a trial run for a couple days just to test your will and commitment. I came into this with a strong head and an iron will, but this is truly the most difficult nutrition plan I have ever followed. Good luck to you and best wishes to your dad, too.
TSMD
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2003/07/09, 10:18 AM
Keep going man.....I am with ya!!!!
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If you can still itch your nose after arm day, go do another set wussie!!!!
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2003/07/09, 10:19 AM
about 5'9" or so. I have looked at your plan and 8 meals seems like a look but what do I have to lose, right? I will try going this weekend to buy those things that I currently don't have. I will start on 7/14 and see how it goes. Have fun on your vacation!
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2003/07/09, 11:00 AM
Saxman, love your posts. The cottage cheese is tough but here is something that helps me choke it down. Add a little hidden valley ranch dressing mix to it. Only 1 carb per tbs and it makes the cottage cheese taste very ranchy
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2003/07/09, 11:27 AM
Yo Mutt,
Thanks, man. I'm gonna make you guys proud!
Yo Tommi,
8 meals IS a lot. You will probably begin to hate eating! I'd advise that you just cut back on the overall cals a bit from my plan for the trial run - at least until I hear back from my buddy. Because you're not as big as da saxman, a little less of everything - all the way around is my best advice (but remember I'm NOT the expert here!). Good Luck!
Yo ATIGER,
One carb seems like a small price to pay to go from raunch to ranch! I'll check with my diet expert. Thanks for the idea. Glad you enjoy the posts, too. They have become my therapy when I'm craving things. When you see a 10-page saxman rant, you know what's really on my mind!
TSMD
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2003/07/09, 12:51 PM
I wish you luck on your vacation. I know exactly what you mean about taking the fun out of eating. Isn't that strange how you can't stop eating when you are told not to and then when someone says ok, eat all the time, you lose the urge. Getting used to that was the hardest for me. There are still days when I feel like I'm gonna choke if I take one more bite. And the Tupperware....by Sunday afternoon, I've used every container I can find and the fridge is packed with all the 'stuff' I'll need to get through the week! But hey, it's working so we can't complain too much I guess. Have a great vacation and don't beat yourself up if you have to stray a little, vacations are supposed to be for rest, not worry and anxiety. I'm taking off the rest of the week and plan to enjoy myself.
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...There are no shortcuts to any place worth going.--Beverly Sills
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2003/07/09, 01:02 PM
Thanks, AZ. Have fun. Talk to you the end of July!
PS - Dammit! Now there's marble wedding shower cake next door! The girl from Accounting is getting married and they of course invited me to share in the sugarfest. Dammit! And it's a 10-foot by 10-foot cake, I swear! How the hell do these people resist this stuff. It's calling me, AZ. It's calling my name! I am such a sugar junkie! At weak times like these I get strength from above, rely on my faith, and I ask myself WWAD... What Would Ahhhnold Do?! He would PUMMEL the cake and all the little girlie wedding planners!
There. I'm better now. It was a nice gesture on their part, though.
TSMD
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2003/07/09, 01:14 PM
LOL just the other day we had a "going away" party that had cookies, then had a B-day party. The cookie lady came by and "tried" to force them on me. When i said no thank you she gave me that up/down look. I stood up and in a loud voice asked, "What the fat man is susposed to eat them cookies?" She turned red and walked away. Then came the cake detail. They came by not once not twice, but thrice. I said no each time. I left for lunch, when I came back there was 2 slices of cake (both much larger than the norm). I walked over to the desk the cake was sitting on and dumped them upside down onto the rest of the cake. I kinda felt bad but I said no 3 times, I mean what part of the 2 letter word did they not get? So hang tough there man and drink somewater!!!!
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If you can still itch your nose after arm day, go do another set wussie!!!!
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2003/07/09, 01:16 PM
Put your hands down and step away from the cake!!!
You are doing great! Keep it up!! It will work!! But not if you eat that cake!
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Challenge + Consistency = Results
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2003/07/09, 01:33 PM
LOL - I'm fine folks! Really.
It's just funny. Funny how things like wedding shower cakes, homemade biscottis, a Sheetz sandwich billboard, and even Burger King commercials on TV can stir one's senses so much more when counting grams of everything! I guess that's their job - to stir the senses!
I can joke about my "weakness", but I am much stronger than I let on. Not craving exempt, mind you, but stronger than I let on! And I have all you guys to thank!
TSMD
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2003/07/09, 01:39 PM
I hear ya brothers and sisters. I'm invited to a birthday party this weekend and I know there won't be anything that I am 'supposed' to eat. Will have to make sure I am full when I leave the house. She always gets these really great 3 layer, fruit filled concoctions from Cosco and they are sooooo good. I will have to use you guys as inspiration and motivation to eat a salad instead....ugh!
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~Victoria~
...There are no shortcuts to any place worth going.--Beverly Sills
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2003/07/09, 02:02 PM
Oh, speaking of fruit... Did you ever try Marie Callandar's (sp?) frozen berry pie? Oh boy! I am not a pie fan at all, but, let me tell ya it's a good thing that these berry pies were not around during war time... If I had secrets that the enemy wanted - forget about it! Now, I'd remain loyal regardless of the endless torture... but, I'd spill my guts for a piece of that pie! I'm an addict, I know!
TSMD
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2003/07/09, 02:04 PM
Still LOL at asimmer!!!
<FT guns drawn> "...Put your hands down and step away from the cake..."
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2003/08/14, 03:54 PM
Ok saxman, where are ya and how's it goin? Thought you were going to be back end of July. Anxious to hear how your program went on vacation.
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~Victoria~
...There are no shortcuts to any place worth going.--Beverly Sills
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2003/08/26, 09:00 AM
Yo AZ (and everybody)!
Vacation was fantastic. I really needed it. Didn't think about work once. Diet is still going, but had a few lapses while on vacation (and yesterday!). Got angry at myself for a while, but just got right back on the band wagon! I'm so proud of myself (LOL). This is a real life change for me, not just a "diet". I don't beat myself up when I cave in to temptation on rare occasions (but oh my God you should have tasted my wife's zucchini nut bread yesterday!)
Things have been really hectic lately, so I haven't been showing my face around these parts very much. (Actually, I miss all of you guys!) Not a lack of commitment, though. Still going to the gym 5 days per week (mostly lifting, but for sh!ts and giggles I did an hour of cardio this morning - I'm a maniac!). Just way too busy to surf the web. Lots of band stuff (we topped $100,000 in charitable contributions and still going strong - lots of new charity gigs), and possibly some real exciting new career opportunities in the future, as well. Oh well, I guess I'll spill my guts - you see, I'm going to be an exotic male dancer with this new svelte physique of mine! Yeah, baby! (My sincere apologies to those of you who've just eaten.) I practiced my exotic "moves" in front of Mrs. Saxman last night... she offered me a second piece of zucchini nut bread just to keep my clothes on. (LOL)
Anyway, hope to be in touch again very soon. Hope everybody's progressing and having a blast! I look forward to getting back to FT on a regular basis once things in my life return to a more normal pace. PS - Still hate cottage cheese.
Best Regards,
Your Saxman
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2003/08/26, 04:04 PM
Hey guy, great to hear from ya. Glad the vacay was fun. Can't wait to hear your next update. I have one coming up this weekend. July was a bust (to many trips and restaurants) so had to really work hard this month to make up for it. I did fit into some shorts that I was sure would be too small, that was encouraging.
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~Victoria~
...There are no shortcuts to any place worth going.--Beverly Sills
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