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davidov Posts: 95 Joined: 2002/10/24	2004/03/04, 11:55 AM Hey can someone give me the cheapest and most reliable way to order these off the internet. Please note that I live in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. Thanks all.
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/03/04, 09:19 PM Just make your own if you can't find them. Get zinc and magnesium, both very cheap, and take them both. 500 mg. of magnesium and 50 mg. of zinc should work nicely. Add in some B6 if you prefer to. -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.... bb1fit@freetrainers.com
	2004/03/05, 08:35 AM That's exactly what I do. Got Zinc, Mag, and B6 on vitacost.com for about $15 total. That's enough for about 4 months. -------------- OSU Law Rugby....specializing in personal injury and pain & suffering.
davidov Posts: 95 Joined: 2002/10/24	2004/03/05, 10:31 AM Good call guys. They sure charge a huge premium for all three substances in one pill eh. I'll give that a try when I need to restock. Thanks.
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/03/05, 10:48 AM One note, I found that you want to get all 3 in pill form, not capsule, or not one capsule and the others pills for instance. I find that they will disolve/probably digest more at the same time. If you have a caplule in there, the gelation capsule will have to disolve, so it will take longer to absorb in my opinion. I think timing is very important here. -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.... bb1fit@freetrainers.com
bicep Posts: 315 Joined: 2001/01/26	2004/03/06, 11:15 AM BB1fit how do you take it, 1 pill of each before bed ? Thnx
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/03/06, 06:59 PM Well, yes multi vitamins will not do the trick. You have to take them strategically. I simply do 500 mg. of maganesium(2 250 mg. tablets), and 50 mg. of zinc. Break a 50 mg. B-6 in half, and you will be fine. Do this right before bed. -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.... bb1fit@freetrainers.com
mmaibohm Posts: 1,621 Joined: 2003/09/30	2004/03/07, 01:59 PM bb1fit is ZMA the real deal? I have read many posts about it and looked at various other websites. I am also wondering at what level is there a toxicity issue? - Mike -------------- I am that which must be feared, worshipped and adored. The world is mine now and forever.No one holds command over me. No man. No god. I am a beast and that is enough.
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/03/07, 04:43 PM ZMA is the real deal. On top of everything(the anabolic hormone aspect), it will simply boost your immune system. You can take a Vit. C before bed also if you like. There is no toxicity issue with it, it is simply minerals. There is a possiblity of to much Zinc leading to a copper deficiency, but this is very rare. If you take a multi during the day anyway that has trace minerals, you will cover all your basis. I personally for many years have taken zinc(it is one of my staples I am never without). If I feel the slightest bit of a cold coming on, I will immediately start with a Vit. C and zinc regimine every 3 hours, on top of my normal intake. ============ Quoting from mmaibohm: bb1fit is ZMA the real deal? I have read many posts about it and looked at various other websites. I am also wondering at what level is there a toxicity issue? - Mike ============= -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.... bb1fit@freetrainers.com
big_j_scf Posts: 308 Joined: 2003/11/08	2004/03/07, 05:56 PM thats awesome that its that simple,I never knew you dould just take the zinc and magnesium. I love saving money!
mmaibohm Posts: 1,621 Joined: 2003/09/30	2004/03/07, 06:52 PM Thanks bb1fit I think I will give it a go. I need to keep my immune system reved up. - Mike -------------- I am that which must be feared, worshipped and adored. The world is mine now and forever.No one holds command over me. No man. No god. I am a beast and that is enough.
DesignerBody Posts: 18 Joined: 2003/10/16	2004/03/08, 03:49 AM bb1, woould you suggest taking these only the day you train before bed or every day even off/rest days?
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/03/08, 10:33 AM Every night. Up to 60% of growth and repair occurs at night during sleep. -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.... bb1fit@freetrainers.com
bicep Posts: 315 Joined: 2001/01/26	2004/03/08, 05:07 PM it`s a miracle it does work !!! this morning I`ve notice huge difference and I only used once :laugh::laugh::laugh: ...just a joke I got all that stuff last night and took it before bed, I didn`t really notice any difference, I always sleep deeeeeep..but when I was taking ZMA (can`t remeber which brand) I was not able to sleep it was keeping me awake and after a 4 days I just threw it out...ant that`s the last time I used any supplements except the vitamins and gree tea....
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/03/08, 07:11 PM Wow, are you sure it was the ZMA that kept you up? It is reknowned for promotin your "quality" of sleep. -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.... bb1fit@freetrainers.com
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/03/08, 09:17 PM It is absorbed better. You don't have to have a completely empty stomach, in fact a good scenario would be to take it after your last meal, about 2 hrs. should do, then within an hour have your before bed meal if you are doing that. Especially if you are doing any, they fight feircely for absorbtion. Then go to bed. The largest daily burst of natural growth hormone occurs during stage 3 and 4, about 1 1/2 to 2 hours after going to sleep. Insulin, testosterone, zinc, and magnesium increase the effect of growth hormone. So, this is the time you want zinc and magnesium at a peak level in the bloodstream. -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.... bb1fit@freetrainers.com
jsom85 Posts: 316 Joined: 2004/01/16	2004/03/08, 10:00 PM what age is good time to start ZMA? i figure i'm too young to start (18), but i'm just curious -------------- Get your weight up, kid
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/03/08, 10:28 PM Sorry, you are right. Calcium is the word. Try to limit your calcium when using zinc/magnesium. -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.... bb1fit@freetrainers.com
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/03/08, 10:50 PM Try to avoid calcium within at least 1 hr. of ZMA. Some is ok, but the ratio ideally should be very small. -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.... bb1fit@freetrainers.com
jsom85 Posts: 316 Joined: 2004/01/16	2004/03/08, 11:12 PM when is a good age to start ZMA? -------------- Get your weight up, kid
DesignerBody Posts: 18 Joined: 2003/10/16	2004/03/09, 03:08 AM i just went to walmart and picked me up some 50mg B6, 50mg Zinc and 250mg magnesium oxide. what i want to know is magnesium oxide the same as magnesium?
ssminnow Posts: 284 Joined: 2004/02/16	2004/03/09, 11:31 AM doesn't it have to be Magnesium Aspartate? Isn't that what the A is for in ZMA?
nightvision Posts: 40 Joined: 2004/02/23	2004/03/10, 08:53 AM i was reading the same thing, that the reason making it yourself is not as good as buying it, is because you need to use magnesium aspartate and zinc aspartate. Can someone clarify??
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/03/10, 10:19 AM Yes, aspartate is a "transport" if you will. A synthesizing enzyme. But, you can do without it. -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.... bb1fit@freetrainers.com
ssminnow Posts: 284 Joined: 2004/02/16	2004/03/10, 10:56 AM Holy Deep Sleep Batman!! Not sure if it is placebo or not, but I got the best nights sleep last night in months!! Thanks guys!
jcannuck Posts: 210 Joined: 2004/01/31	2004/03/12, 06:19 PM BB1, I'm trying to follow your recipe, but all I can find are 50 mg tablets of magnesium, and the bottle says to take max 2 per day. Am I reading you right when you say 500 mg's?
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/03/12, 07:17 PM yes....you should be able to find magnesium in higher doses all over the place. -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.... bb1fit@freetrainers.com
jcannuck Posts: 210 Joined: 2004/01/31	2004/03/12, 07:23 PM Thanks BB1.
mmaibohm Posts: 1,621 Joined: 2003/09/30	2004/03/13, 02:30 AM Well 3 days into zma and I have slept a little better. I wonder though due to my body weight if I need to up the dose. Most recomended amounts are not based on a body weight of 365. - Mike -------------- I am that which must be feared, worshipped and adored. The world is mine now and forever.No one holds command over me. No man. No god. I am a beast and that is enough.
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/03/13, 09:16 AM ssminnow, it is not a placebo. ZMA does not induce sleep, it enhances the quality of your sleep. It enhances recovery while increasing sleep efficiency. Healing, tissue repair, anabolic hormone production and growth are maximized during sleep, so quality sleep is essential. ============ Quoting from ssminnow: Holy Deep Sleep Batman!! Not sure if it is placebo or not, but I got the best nights sleep last night in months!! Thanks guys! ============= -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.... bb1fit@freetrainers.com
ssminnow Posts: 284 Joined: 2004/02/16	2004/03/13, 10:02 AM bb1fit, it sure has enhanced my sleep. I know this to be true because I never get good sleep like I have ben getting since I started ZMA. Is this something I can take for the rest of my life? WIll my body evenetually get used to it and will the effectiveness wear off? I wish I knew about ZMA sooner. Better late then never! Once again bb1fit, you are the man! thanks for all of the awesome advice and knowledge you share. -------------- Don\'t sweat what you have no control over... WILL IT MATTER IN A HUNDRED YEARS....
bicep Posts: 315 Joined: 2001/01/26	2004/03/13, 11:20 AM I`ve been following bb1fit`s recipe for a week now....and have noticed that I`m nore rested in the morning. I was a bit skeptical due to a bad experience with brand name ZMA
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/03/14, 11:02 AM ZMA is simply minerals. Some brand names have a proprietary additive of some sort, like NAC in one brand I can think of(I believe EAS or Cytodyne), but even with this, it is no problem. I too was a terrible sleeper, now I sleep most all the time. You can take it as long as you like. I have it right along with my Vit. C now, one of those things I never ever without. -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.... bb1fit@freetrainers.com
cafenervosa Posts: 94 Joined: 2004/03/02	2004/03/14, 01:22 PM I took zinc once for a cold and got so sick from it I threw up. I've been afraid to take it since. Does this possibly indicate an allergy to zinc? If so, I'm curious if taking zinc in concert with the other two minerals would lessen the effects of an upset stomach. Any thoughts?
davidov Posts: 95 Joined: 2002/10/24	2004/03/15, 01:45 AM Maybe you just threw up because you were sick. Give zinc another shot and see what happens. Keep the dosage low just in case though. I remember when I was little, eating a purple popsicle and vomiting. It took me 4 years before I had another. I threw up because of motion sickness though. Nobody likes it, but it really isn't anything to be afraid of.
jcannuck Posts: 210 Joined: 2004/01/31	2004/03/15, 02:34 PM It took me forever, but I finally found the 250 mg pill at Wal-Mart! Thanks again BB1 (starting to sound like OB1 from Star-Wars!) -------------- If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.--- Desiderata, Max Ehrmann, 1927
vinniebonez Posts: 62 Joined: 2003/03/11	2004/03/20, 10:27 AM on my bottle it says take 2 pills daily.. i thought you are supposed to take it 1 hour before bed ?? (one pill) are they just trying to sucker us into using the product more quickly or is it more effective to have 2 pills a day ???
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/03/20, 10:37 AM What kind did you get? Most ZMA doses are 2 or 3. Depends on who makes them. The only one that varies in when to take it is EAS I believe, they say before training also, which is not necessary. Just take the dose before bed. ============ Quoting from vinniebonez: on my bottle it says take 2 pills daily.. i thought you are supposed to take it 1 hour before bed ?? (one pill) are they just trying to sucker us into using the product more quickly or is it more effective to have 2 pills a day ??? ============= -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.... bb1fit@freetrainers.com
vinniebonez Posts: 62 Joined: 2003/03/11	2004/03/20, 12:59 PM Mine is made by ALLMAX nutrition this is what it says: Directions: 2 capsules daily on an empty stomach, 30-60 minutes prior to bedtime. So what do ya figure BB1??? just stick to taking them before bed ? i was gonna start today...
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/03/20, 01:48 PM I would do 3 of these...the Allmax brand. The ingredients are as follows...Zinc 10 mg Vitamin B6 3.5 mg Magnesium 150 mg So, 3 of them will give you the desired amounts. Favorable doseage is in this area... magnesium 450mg, Zinc: 30mg -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.... bb1fit@freetrainers.com
vinniebonez Posts: 62 Joined: 2003/03/11	2004/03/20, 11:29 PM morning, midday and before bed?? or all 3 before bed ???
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/03/21, 10:58 AM No, all 3 before bed. They would do you no good at the other times. -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.... bb1fit@freetrainers.com
vinniebonez Posts: 62 Joined: 2003/03/11	2004/03/23, 12:31 AM Hey BB1,... that allmax brand... is 90 tablets for like 28 bucks Canadian... is that a rip off ? am i better off making my own.. with magnesium and zinc ?? if i do 3 a night.. that will last only one month! Is it worth it ?? so far i have been doing 2 on a non workout day and 3 on a workout day suggestions and input are welcome
jcannuck Posts: 210 Joined: 2004/01/31	2004/03/23, 07:31 AM Vinnie, I bought mag at Wal-Mart for aroun $8, and Zinc at Cosco for about $5, and I've got way more than a month's worth.
vinniebonez Posts: 62 Joined: 2003/03/11	2004/03/23, 08:31 AM I wonder if its just as effective ? do you think think the ones that they sell at the health stores as ZMA have any added benifits ??
vinniebonez Posts: 62 Joined: 2003/03/11	2004/03/23, 08:31 AM I wonder if its just as effective ? do you think think the ones that they sell at the health stores as ZMA have any added benifits ??
ssminnow Posts: 284 Joined: 2004/02/16	2004/03/23, 09:25 AM the only thing i have wondered about is the form of the zinc and magnesium. For some reason I feel that geting aspartate is important. Thats what the A in ZMA is for. I get Pro ZMA from the vitamin shoppe. Its not that expensive and I only take 2 pills and this has been the best supplement I have ever taken. It has made sleep good again. -------------- Don't sweat what you have no control over... WILL IT MATTER IN A HUNDRED YEARS....
jcannuck Posts: 210 Joined: 2004/01/31	2004/03/23, 10:22 AM I have finally started to experience the "amazing sleep" part of taking Zinc & Magnesium. It took about 1 week. BB1 addressed the "A" part above, the aspartate is used for more effective delivery of the Z & M. I don't know whether to chalk it up to the Z & M or the glucosamine I'm taking, but I'm happy to report that my knee seems 100% better (was causing pain after running) and my stubborn rotator cuff tear in my right shoulder seems to have dissapeared.... -------------- If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.--- Desiderata, Max Ehrmann, 1927
jsom85 Posts: 316 Joined: 2004/01/16	2004/03/23, 11:20 AM all i know is since i have started the zinc and mag, my sleep has been insane. i sleep straight through the night and if i wake up, i just go right back to sleep as if my body was forcing me to. not normal for me. but now is becoming normal. -------------- Get your weight up, kid
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/03/23, 11:20 AM Yes, you are quite correct in your reasoning. The aspartate is a "transport". A synthesizing enzyme as I mentioned above, and does help assimilation. Some folks do well without it, some need it. You will have to experiment with both ways and find which is best for you. I personally found by experimenting for me the Cytodyne brand worked the best, they are chewable, but also happen to be the most expensive. :( I have for the last month or so now just been using zinc and magnesium, and it seems to be working well for me. So, I will stick with it for now, but if any trouble arises, my sleep means very much to me, I will immediately make the switch.:) ============ Quoting from ssminnow: the only thing i have wondered about is the form of the zinc and magnesium. For some reason I feel that geting aspartate is important. Thats what the A in ZMA is for. I get Pro ZMA from the vitamin shoppe. Its not that expensive and I only take 2 pills and this has been the best supplement I have ever taken. It has made sleep good again. ============= -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.... bb1fit@freetrainers.com

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