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2006/08/26, 09:38 PM
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2006/08/26, 05:46 PM
Hello Everyone. I am going to post my diet and my training results while i am on M1-T, this is my 7th day on 10Mg/day (i take it after i eat my first meal of the morning, and this is 2 hours before my workout) i would like anyone who is willing to comment on my diet and/or training regiment concerning any changes they feel would be beneficial to me to please do so, i am welcome and open to all advice and opinions.
so far i have gained 8lbs, my starting weight was 166 and i am now 174, which i feel is mostly water weight, my strength has gone up quite a bit as well, which is expected.
the following is my diet...
(i cycle the creatine, 3 days on, 3 days off, i have gained more using this strategy than i have just consitently using creatine day after day)
meal 1 - 10:00am - concoction of 2 eggs, 1 cup oatmeal, 1 banana, 4 frozen strawberries, and 10 oz milk in a bowl mixed up and microwaved with a little bit of syrup for flavor
1 scoop Designer whey mixed with 12ozwater
multivitamin, glucosamine chondrotin, 5 grams creatine, 5 grams glutamine
meal 2 - before workout and during warm up sets- 12:00pm - AST Creatine HSC (on days not using creatine i use 36 grams of dextrose sugar) with 1 scoop AST vp2 whey protein powder, 10 grams glutamine
meal 3 - immediatly after workout - 1:30pm - AST Creatine HSC wth 1 scoop AST vp2 whey protein,10 grams glutamine
meal 4 - 30 mins after workout(2:00) - 2 small yukon gold potatos with pepper and a dash of salt, 1 scoop optimum whey protein with 12 oz skim milk
meal 5 - 1 hour after workout (2:30) - 1 bolied large sweet potato, AST's Ny Tro Pro 40 meal replacement with water, 5 grams creatine
meal 6 -2 hours after workout (3:30) - 1 packet salmon(6oz), 1 plum, spinach salad with vinegar, 1 scoop optimum whey with 12oz water
meal 7 - 3 hours after workout (4:30) - Pb(2tbspns) and Jelly sandwhich on 2 pieces whole wheat bread, with green tea
meal 8 - 6:00 - 6:30 - Designer Whey protein Shake with 12oz milk, steamed broccoli
meal 9 - 8:30 - 9:00 - 3/4 medium tomato, 4 pieces provolone cheess on 2 pieces whole wheat with mustard, mmmm,
meal 10 - 10:30 - 2 lite yogurts
meal 11 - 12:00am - Optimum Whey protein Shake with 12oz milk + 5 grams creatine + 5 grams glutamine, 1 banana, 1 tbspn flaxseed oil
total calories - 4,075
total protein - 366 grams
i get at least 8 hours of sleep each night
i am using Ast's Max-OT workout, if you dont know about this workout and would like me to elaborate on exaclty what i do, ask, and ill type it out, ive used their principles for a few years now and i am making consistent gains
i am not experiencing any blood pressure problems, and my heart rate has been good, 65 beats per minute, no i didnt get a lipid profile done beforehand and wont have that checked but i trust that i will be fine. Im waiting on Milk Thistle in the mail, and will be taking 1,000mg a day. if blood pressure does becomes a problem i will take some hawthorn berry. i will be taking the M1-t for 4 weeks, and my PCT will consist of Nolvadex and Tribulus terrestrius for another 4 weeks. i am hoping to get up to 185 on this stuff, and when i come off and also hoping to be at least 175, which would mean i gained 9lbsof lean muscle mass that i wouldnt otherwise have gained in that month. again that is simply what i am hoping for, if i lose everything i will understand and be o.k. with it, but i highly doubt that will happen as long as i stick to my plan so far.
i am open to any and all suggestions concerning the aforementioned material
thank you for taking the time to read this
~eli
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2006/08/27, 08:24 PM
Not sure the point of using M1T at 18....
how long have you been training? can you post your exact lifting routine?
Your diet looks good...tho I would consider adding more carbs maybe...
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2006/08/27, 10:34 PM
for some reasone it listed me as null. i dont understand that, but i am wondering if you guys can see my pics in my profile, i posted a couple up but i dont know if they are showing
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2006/08/28, 12:11 AM
Your routine looks like a page out of Flex...not a good thing....too many exercises imo...too much emphasis on smaller muscles....
With all the volume/exercises you do for upper body, legs seem like an afterthought in your program...
remember the biggest gains will come from Deadlifts, Squats, Goodmornings, Lunges, ....also chin/pull ups over pulldowns...the bigger the exercise the more muscles you're stimulating...these exercises will help you gain size and strength all over the body...doing 4 exercises of curls and tricep exercises accomplishes little...
Military presses=standing overhead barbell presses....which I highly recommend over any seated version of barbell or dumbell presses....
I would add maybe sweet potatoes, some type of rice with outer shell, quinoa, amaranth, buckwheat, lentils, etc...
I like mixing brown rice and quinoa or buckwheat and quinoa in a ricecooker ....makes a complete protein...and tastes good...season with herbs to taste and drizzle with olive oil....amaranth can be used in place of quinoa....both can be found in health stores...brown rice+black/kidney/lima beans=complete protein also...
you may want to bump up the eggs in the morning to around 4.......
do you eat any other types of fish? I really like Sole...tastes great and easy to prepare...
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2006/08/28, 01:39 PM
can you say bye bye liver n kidneys??
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People don't reach thier true potental, only those who seek it.
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2006/08/28, 03:03 PM
thanks for the feedback menace. although a workout outta flex usually has the rep ranges of 10 - 12, or 12 - 15, and usually has about 12 sets per muscle group. the program im doin has 6 - 8 sets per muscle group (although for this work out cycle im choosing the higher side of 8 sets since im takin the M1-T) and just 4 - 6 reps, as listed. weighted pull ups and good mornings were done in my last workout cycle, which i recently ended 2 weeks ago. standing military barbell press and lunges (were in place of leg presses) were also done in my last workout cycle as well. i forgot to mention that im doing deadlifts every other week, 2 sets of them at the beginning of my back workout, and I cut out 1 set of "V" bar pull downs and 1 set of cable rows on those days. when i do deadlifts week after week, i get a pain in my upper leg bones (forgive the non anatomical name here)
how does legs appear as an afterthought? and most of the exercises i am doing are compound exercises, not isolated muscle movements, correct me if im wrong here.
i will try adding 2 extra eggs in the morn'n, im walkn around constantly stuffed though and on the brink of puking a few times. im also taking about 4 shits a day, hah, still adjusting to this diet since i only started it a week ago. good idea with another sweet potato, im adding it with my yogurt meal. as for the beans, they dont agree with me. the rice combo u listed sounds good, but i dont have a ricemaker, and while i could boil or microwave it, ill hold off on adding that until i adjust to what im adding now.
no other types of fish for me, reasons i would rather not get into, just wild caught salmond is all i eat.
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2006/08/28, 03:06 PM
ricecooker*
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2006/08/28, 05:08 PM
4 days upper body 1 day lower body? and the 2 sets of deadlifts every other week...
Leg Presses are pretty useless...as are leg extensions(if you're healthy they are great to mess up knees)....I would instead do various front squats(front, back, hack,split, etc)...step ups...deadlift variations etc...
upright rows are great way to mess up rotator cuffs.....
Unless you have some particular glaring imbalances....
1 exercise of 3-5 sets is usually more than enough to fatigue a muscle thoroughly.....
above all learn some patience....M1T is an easy way out...at 18 you really dont need anything extra...just do what you're doing...it's one of the toughest prohormones on the body....one of the most toxic....very hard on the liver...and other organs...highly suggest you rethink taking it...
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2006/08/28, 07:09 PM
i understand the implications of taking m1-t, did a month research at least on the stuff, reading everyones experiences and what everyone recommends and such. normally my plan was take it for 4 weeks. but due to the way ive been feeling, especially the lethargy, im going to only take it for 2 weeks, and do a week of 40mg nolva just to make sure everythign goes smooth, and then if i keep some of my gains so far i may not use the rest, or i may do another 2 weeker a month from now.
4 days upper body, 1 day lowerbody, everything focused on once a week, except abs is twice a week. what else do suggest? if i did legs twice week i feel id be overtraining them.
as for leg extensions, ive just reently incorperated them into my workout, never done them before, and i have noticed a slight growth of my quads right above my knee because its all new stimulus, but i dont plan on continuing to do them. i was considering taking them out and adding 2 sets of front squats instead.
about leg presses though, i feel they are a great exercise because its a compount movement, and allows you to use a lot of weight. theyve been a catalyst for my leg development for a while now. so u suggest taking them out and adding another variation of a squat or throw lunges back in instead? ive done hack squats before and they dont do as much for me as leg presses do.
im interested in the workout that you follow, could u type out for me a day or two of your current workout and the poundages you use?
btw, im changing my diet, ive been on it for a week now and its catching up to me and affecting my well being, ive skipped a meal today and already feel a helluva lot better, more energy, better mood. i will have 3700 cals instead of 4000, and 24 less grams of protein, but i think that is still enough, what do u think? stick it out while im on m1-t for the next week or what?
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2006/08/28, 10:26 PM
First off are you taking 1AD/4AD or someting else to fight lethargy? these 2 prohormones work well with M1T....
Leg Presses are useless because despite the ton of weight you can use they are not very good at recruiting other muscles nor carrying over to other exercises or life....I was doing 1000G long while back while not able to do 1 rep of 315 on squat...this is also the case for many others...if you really enjoy then by all means do it....esp if you're rotating exercises every few weeks...I just feel squat variations are much better....I am not sure you need a ton of different exercises for each muscle....
it's important to keep calories up....M1T wont make you gain weight....this is where nutrition comes in....especially total calories...which should be much higher than maintenance calories....try to add maybe some less fibrous carbs since you're trying to gain weight....like pasta...it will bump up total calories without filling you too much...
Not sure my workout would be useful, I am more concerned with strength not size, and I am injured at the moment(so my exercise selection is not what I'd like it to be). However if you got the time you can read my Journal in the powerlifting forum....it's near the top and I got another journal thread buried also in powerlifting...
If you keep at it you'll be surprised how much gains you can get without any prohormone or steroid...even if everything you're doing is not 100% ...it's about doing things consistantly most of the time...
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2006/08/29, 11:42 AM
drug addicts always say....this will be the 1st and only time.
I'll get high just one more time...
its a special ocasion I'll get high one more time....
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People don't reach thier true potental, only those who seek it.
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2006/08/29, 03:37 PM
yep. u caught me. im addicted to m1-t. what the hell bigandrew? i never even said that it will be my 1st and last time, i said i might not do as long a cycle as i had planned because of how its effecting me, and that i might or i might not do another one down the road. alotta drug attics think in extremes, like u mentioned, 'always' and 'never' and they put alotta presure on themselves, and thus caving in and doing more of it. they also say those statements to other ppl as brushoff statements,(let alone a thousand other reasons why ppl are addicted to drugs) whereas im coming on here asking for ppls advice and seeing what they have to say, menace has been helpful so far so im glad i did come on here, but whats constructive about your comment? freedom of speech says u can say whatever you want to, but please i ask that if u dont have anything helpful to say dont say it.
menace, i dont have any 1-ad or 4-ad, the guy i got the m1-t from only had m1-t. todays the worst ive felt yet, i tried doing deadlifts but my leg bones were hurting and i started to get a burning sensation around my lower abs, so i warmed up and only did one set of 405 for 1, i definetly had to stop that, better to be safe. so i moved onto weighted pull ups, and i had 70lbs and did 7 reps, but my humerous bones were hurting afterwords, and then i started to get a slight pain in the left side of my collarbone, i guess my body is taking a toll from using all the heavy weights...i took a week off before, this is my second week back, and i felt great last week, very strong and structually stable, no joint aches or anything, but today im hurtn all over, and i feel stuffed as shit and i have helluva lot more meals to go
there are a few options that i have considered...
1 - lower my set volume to the lower side of 6 sets per body part
2 - lower my set volume and increase my rep range to 6 - 8, keeping it toward 8 (doing less weight, less weight equals less stress on joints and bones)
3 - lower my calorie intake to 3600 cals. and my protein to 350 grams (remember i weigh 175)
4 - end the m1-t completely early by stop taking it and move on to using nolvadex
5 - the most extreme, stop working out totally for a couple weeks. then get back into it fully rested and recovered
any suggestions?
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2006/08/29, 03:41 PM
I have one thing to say is this, ever wonder why people on roids have a higher than average injury rate? it is beacause they did not allow the body to adjust to the weight they were using. Maybe that is what you are feeling with the bone pain.
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Less Talk, More Chalk!
The Men and Boys are Separated by one thing: The Squat Cage!
7707mutt@freetrainers.com
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2006/08/29, 03:44 PM
ive felt these pains in the past without using anything, theyve inhibited me from climbing to higher weights, they are just more pronounced now, but mutt i agree with you that thats the reason why.
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2006/08/29, 03:46 PM
How old are you?
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Less Talk, More Chalk!
The Men and Boys are Separated by one thing: The Squat Cage!
7707mutt@freetrainers.com
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2006/08/29, 04:04 PM
he's 18 mutt....I will add my two cents then butt out...my husband started lifting weights at a very young age,but he didn't find out until he was in his late 20's that he had lifted to heavy to young and it has caused him ALOT of issues in his joints...not saying lifting is not a good thing for you....just saying if you are feeling pain like that you are possibly you are lifting to heavy.You're body will thank you when you hit 30 if you make slow progressive gains.Working out should be enjoyable...not painful.Pain is a warning...you should listen.
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2006/08/29, 04:10 PM
Ok 18 is in my opinion way to young for what you are taking. Also you need to build up to the heavy weights. Hope it all is worth it for you.
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Less Talk, More Chalk!
The Men and Boys are Separated by one thing: The Squat Cage!
7707mutt@freetrainers.com
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2006/08/29, 04:25 PM
joints arent really an issue, which is kinda odd, its just my bones! humerous's, and upper leg bones, and recently left side of collarbone after doing pull ups.
i took 6 months off the begginning of last year. and when i came back i gained alot real fast, and they started hurting again, and i think thats whats happening now. after this whole m1-t thing is over in a couple of weeks, im going to lower my calories and just maintain for a couple months, perhaps that will be enough time for my body to readjust and for me to feel better, caz im not enjoying myself with this pain and fatigue and constant stuffing. i am however enjoying the attention i am getting, hah.
i appreciate your guys sincere opinions.
mutt have u ever taken any prohormones, or anything of the like?
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2006/08/29, 04:32 PM
Dude - are you listening to yourself ?? You are 18 years old and your bones are hurting. You need to re-evaluate what you are puting in your body FAST !!!!!!!
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2006/08/29, 04:37 PM
it has been a recurring issue for the past couple years. its not just from the m1-t.
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2006/08/29, 04:45 PM
It is obvious from your posts that you are young and and you just don't get it. Regardless what you think it is from your bones are not supposed to hurt. I hope you have good insurance.
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2006/08/29, 04:45 PM
Nope never will either. I gain very easily. Never had a reason to use them and or the money
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Less Talk, More Chalk!
The Men and Boys are Separated by one thing: The Squat Cage!
7707mutt@freetrainers.com
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2006/08/29, 04:48 PM
I know I said I would stay out of this...but here's four cents...
My husbands joints and bones didn't hurt him either until he hit his late 20's...now he crackles and pops all over the place at 32...I'm not suggesting that whatever you're taking is the CAUSE of your pain...perhaps it is allowing you to lift heavier than your body is really ready to lift however,so it is an effect.You're playing with fire...you'll see the size you are looking for with consistancy...it just takes more time than you are allowing yourself...I'm sure you have already done alot of damage you won't even be aware of until you get older(and wiser),until then see a dr....or you're gonna get burned.
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2006/08/29, 04:53 PM
Ok....6 cents....I wish this type of thing would have been available to my husband when he was a kid doing this stuff...it would have saved him alot of pain,he had no clue what he was doing to himself until he joined the military and became US government property and they told him he better knock it off,he was there's now...don't damage the merchandise...now you know,you have no excuse.
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2006/08/29, 04:54 PM
You may also want to check out www.thescooterstore.com
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2006/08/29, 04:56 PM
man...now that was funny...trying to stay away from being mean today,was supposed to be playing nice...but that was funny.
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2006/08/29, 05:01 PM
your really playing russian roullett her eman with your hormones......You might not pay for it now...but IT WILL catch up with you.
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Get your bicep curling, cut off shirt, matching workout outfit wearing,flexing in mirror "toned" wanna-be ass , out of my squat rack!
People don't reach thier true potental, only those who seek it.
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2006/08/29, 06:42 PM
ka. what the hell, i already have a scooter that i use, im paralyzed from my legs down, got in a bad accident i would rather not talk about, and to my dismay i see that you are trying to make a joke about it. not funny.
thanks KC for the insight, im aware of the dangers, but im not in incredable pain, its like a dull pain, like someone took a club and hit my arms, not like they hit em so hard they broke, but like bruised em. and i know ur gonna think, no he doesnt get it its gonna cost him in the future down the line. but hell by then i could probably have a whole new body rebuilt, or a clone even and just switch my brain in my clone u know what i mean?
no in all seriousness, im goin as heavy as possible while on this m1t which i finally decided next week is my last week of, then ill take tribulous and nolvadex for a couple wekes to recover while eating the same diet. then ill lower the cals to maintain and do maintain work till im balanced out. that way my body will be all nice and healed, also looking into getting a chiropractor...
oh and bigandrew thank you so much for the reasurring advice about my hormones and all. i feel much better "knowing " IT WILL catch up to me. look honestly i feel like im going to be fine, my balls havnt shrunken at all, although i had a dream that i got gyno and that was pretty wierd, but anyway three weeks on m1-t is not enough to mess up my hormones for life. its no dianabol, and even then i could probably recover fine.
maybe im minimizing the risk, but maybe ur exaggerating it
from what ive read it seems to be that ppl who dont take steroids and take m1-t are saying its very powerful and will mess u up just as much as some of the other illegal steroids, and that ppl who have claimed to take or have taken steroids and have taken m1-t say its nothing in comparison, its toxic ya, but still not nearly as toxic as the other steroids out there.
oh and i was joking about being paralyzed. actually the joke u made gave me a good laugh ka.
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2006/08/29, 08:39 PM
Nice try guy - I new you were joking long before I read your last line, you already posted your LEG DAY !!!!!
We are trying to help so you will not need that scooter.
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2006/08/29, 08:47 PM
Well you got me elantraa...but I'm not the sharpest knife in the block around here...so it's not that impressive!:)I see you have it all figured out...like all kids your age...but you'll remember this post when you wake up poppin and crackin all over in 15 years...good luck to you...and in case no one has told you....welcome to FT!!:)
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2006/08/30, 12:00 AM
hell, i might not wake up at all in 15 years, so then i wouldnt even have to worry about the suffering. hah, thanks KC for the welcome, glad to be 'accepted' as one of you guys/girls. maybe one day i will accpet all of you as well into my workout routine, and then we can all be in pain together. :cool:
just one thing. i dont like age generalizations, please, there are arrogant people who think they understand life and that life revolves around them, and to them i say 'screw you', and believe me thats most of the population, especially with the usual american attitude.
im just a man who enjoys some things and doesnt like other things. i think i know whats good for me, although it may not always be truly good for me, but then again, who defines what is good and what isnt. no im not giving a philosophical monologue here so dont worry, but u wont catch me telling you whats best for you, thats for sure, and thats where im different.
so let me tell you...no im kidding, good luck with everyones workouts tomorrow! im gonna be resting. ahhh
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2006/08/30, 01:09 AM
sorry got logged out
also stopping the cycle short might be a good idea....#1 thing you can learn is to listen to the body....I would also consider talking to a doc about the pains you been experencing...it can be something serious and you dont want it to get worse
also if you're doing research on M1T or other stuff check out
steroidology.com
a lot of info there and people there have first hand knowledge of the stuff...
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2006/08/30, 01:45 AM
Actually some of the prohormones that were out are much more harsh on the body than the real deal. M1T is right up there at the top.
As far as anyone "older" telling you what to do, it is not that bro. It is the voice of reason and experience which can be a very harsh teacher on your own. Listen to those who have been there.
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2006/08/30, 02:59 PM
note - the above post is from me. :cool:
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2006/08/30, 03:02 PM
yeah...think we kinda figured that:)
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2006/09/01, 01:23 AM
im glad u figgered it :cool:
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2006/09/01, 08:40 AM
uh-oh...another sass monster on board!!You are now a part of the family:love:
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2006/09/01, 02:50 PM
as part of the family id like to start making some changes around here. everyone is required to take m1-t because it has been known to be one of healthiest supplements for your body. many studies were done my muscletech proving its effectiveness in increasing overall well being, killing free radicals, fighting cancer, helping to create world peace, and making the one you love...love you back (no more stalking!) ....
thats about as much bullshit as half these other companies write advertising their supplements, what the f***!
note: m1-t isnt really good for you and im going to stop taking it after next week (nolvadex is still in the mail, ya i know should of ordered it earlier but what the hey). my humerus's are hurting more than ever now, after a day of curls, which i only did 5 sets of, i was holding my arm up and it was shaking (i remembered this use to happen when i would wrestle as well, my forearm bones and humerosus would hurt and would be so weak i couldnt even hold them up), so i moved onto triceps and tried close grip bench press but my bones couldnt handle it, so i skipped that and did 3 sets of tricep press down which seemed to be fine and which i was 10 lbs stronger in than last week, and then 2 sets seated tricep extensions which i also was stronger.
oh and to add to this lovely pain i have a new back pain! woopee! its called a pinched nerve in my lower back because i wanted to go intense and got crazystupid and i did hyperextensions really fast holding two 45's in my hands and wanting to feel the contraction and so i went up higher than normal, and pinch!, felt a weak pain in my lower back and it shot down my leg. so i stopped and could barely walk with my right leg, i managed to get home, which i had to bike a quarter mile to and lie down, god it was terrible. i had my brother walk on my back and pop it in a few places and everything is alright now. just that it hurts occasionaly and is semi paralyzing when i lift things up in the gym which is what you do at the gym so it kinda sucks.
im definetly taking 1, maybe 2 weeks off 3 weeks from now after i successfully go off m1t and keep most of my gains.
(im 179 now, i started at 166 two weeks ago)
alright well im off to have my blood pressure checked by my college for free
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2006/09/01, 04:05 PM
Dude you need to have your head checked. You are a mess !!
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2006/09/02, 08:41 PM
13lb in 2 weeks is rediculous amount to gain...not healthy at all and you wont be able to keep it...you realize as soon as you cut calories after you finish the cycle you'll start losing weight?
got get x-rays off your legs...do you really want the risk of breaking the bones as you're lifting?...
Right now you should stop the cycle and go get checked out...speak to the doctor about it....perhaps he can prescribe u the nolvadex so u can just get it at the pharmacy...get bloodwork done...you'd be an utter moron if you dont......this is some serious shT.....M1T is a very very very powerful hormone...like i said u were better taking less toxic steroids...you're fu##ing 18!...dont fu## up your health...dont have this attitute 1 cycle wont harm u...1 poorly done cycle will fu## you up for life...
after you get healthy....doing a 3x3, 5x5 are good routine to build size and strength....focusing mostly on compound movements...
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2006/09/02, 08:54 PM
Lethargy, joint pain, all goodies of the sides of M1T. As I mentioned, it is probably the harshest of the prohormones, and much more so than the real thing.
And to add insult to injury, you will not hold your gains.
You should always be prepared when going on cycle of any type. You never know what will happen during the cycle, you may simply get sick for instance, fall down and break and arm...what do you do then? Can't train, need to have PCT ready beforehand.
Do not forget Milk Thistle in your PCT.
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2006/09/03, 10:50 PM
I am a 47 year old man who has been using M1T for about 6 months cycling 2 weeks on and 1 and 1/2 weeks off.
I am not a huge bodybuilder - just someone interested in keeping myself in good muscular shape and having a bit of definition. Using M1T allowed me to gain 13 lbs over a period of approximately 2 months going from 173 lgs to 186 lbs. Muscles became more cut and massive and generally better defined. I became a bit stronger and increased weights modestly (by about 15%), although I still make it a point to regularly return to lower weights with more reps to build endurance. No other supplements (I had tried I-AD before) have allowed me to attain such results. I cycle on and off the M1T and avoid alcohol. I also use Tribulis and Nitrix in addition to Ionized Whey Protein. I keep the dose of M1-T to one capsule of 10 mg per day taken with protein rich foods. If I take 20 mgs, my liver revolts.
It's all a bit expensive but the beneficial results are clear. I use milk thistle for the liver particularly when I am off cycle. I also continue using the Tribulus post cycle.
I think when used cautiously, in cycles, and according to instruction, M1T can be a great help in building muscle mass. It is of course important that one pay attention to any adverse effects and signs and symptoms the body sends you and back off if there are warning signs.
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2006/09/03, 11:32 PM
At your age you should be smart enough to realize that your post is addressing to a 18 yr. old kid that using prohormones is ok.
You are a 47 yr. old man....your test levels have long ago peaked, and you are but upping them a bit. This is a bit different than an 18 yr. old at his natural peak levels. Surely you realize the difference in bodily effects at the age difference.
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2006/09/04, 02:18 AM
Indeed...plus i think your dosages are smaller...and your results were gained over much longer period of time....
not sure why u'd want for ur first post to tell 18 yr old kid prohormones are safe...or perfectly fine....
If he just eats and trains right he can accomplish all his goals without this stuff....say in 3-5 years....
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2006/09/04, 10:16 PM
All of that for 6lbs!? Seems hardly worth it
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2006/09/05, 12:27 AM
"alright look. im not some immature "kid" who didnt look into what he was doing. i made a conscious and informed decision to start taking m1-t. "
dude we already pointed out a bunch of things you left out...I hardly call it 'an informed decision'....I am trying to tell you that you're quite misinformed about some things....I dont do it for my ego cuz personally we dont know each other so it doesnt matter either way... I am just trying to give you some friendly advice...
I like what my college prof once said...tho it's a pretty common saying....
who's the smartest person in the world and who's the dumbest? The smartest person in the world is a high school graduate....and the dumbest is the college graduate...
you're 18 and you're the maker of your own future...good luck either way....
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2006/09/05, 12:49 PM
i dont feel there were a bunch of things that i left out,only a few, nobodys perfect however and neither was everything that i did, things are working out.
alright after rereading what everyone typed, i realized that yesterday i wasnt in the best of moods and thought people were being arrogant and negative, i was slightly wrong, it is mostly just advice, althought a hint of negativity with
"And to add insult to injury, you will not hold your gains. " from bb1fit, but i guess thats what he really thinks and really thats fine
i dont like that quote, although i agree that alot of people think they know it all, in which generally they are full of crap.
thanks menace, and you are 24 and so good luck with your future as well
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2006/09/06, 11:52 PM
you must have alot of money to be literally be ...pissing away....
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Get your bicep curling, cut off shirt, matching workout outfit wearing,flexing in mirror "toned" wanna-be ass , out of my squat rack!
People don't reach thier true potental, only those who seek it.
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2006/09/06, 11:54 PM
another question....if you have researched this...and "know it all"....talked to people on the net...which I hardly count....how you know they not lieing to you?
IF you have done all this....then why post this? Just do it...cause you have made you mind up..and your gonna do it regardless of what we all say...
Juice up! who cares?
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Get your bicep curling, cut off shirt, matching workout outfit wearing,flexing in mirror "toned" wanna-be ass , out of my squat rack!
People don't reach thier true potental, only those who seek it.
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