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Jdelts Posts: 1,218 Joined: 2003/10/19	2004/01/02, 10:58 PM I've been spiking for about four weeks now and let me tell you, my gains have been extraordinary. I've gained in every exercise by a considerable amount. My legs gained an inch, my arms a half inch. I've stuck to a strict program of protein and carb loading, taking each at the specific times needed. After I spike immediately following my workouts, I quickly drink 30-40 grams of protein, then sip the last 30grams for the next 45 minutes, while consuming some type of complex carb. The trick is to cut down on the sugar throughout the day and save it for your insuline spikes. -------------- May the lift be with you.
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/01/03, 10:37 AM Exactly right. The more insulin sensitive you are, the more potent your recovery drink will be! Insulin sensitivity is key to uptake. Glad it is working for you Jdelts. -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything....
ACT3 Posts: 44 Joined: 2003/04/07	2004/01/03, 03:36 PM Where do you guys get most of your post-workout simple sugars from.... -------------- If you work them, they will grow... ~-~-~-~- Al
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/01/03, 03:39 PM Dextrose an maltodextrin are the 2 you should use. You can get both at www.vitaglo.com or www.dpsnutrition.com -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything....
ChimChim Posts: 20 Joined: 2003/02/25	2004/01/05, 11:02 PM what IS insulin spiking?!?! and what does insulin do for you?!?!?!
ACT3 Posts: 44 Joined: 2003/04/07	2004/01/06, 03:37 AM Can insulin spiking cause fat gain even if done correctly? -------------- If you work them, they will grow... ~-~-~-~- Al
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/01/06, 10:05 AM If you did not "earn" it, then yes, because you are taking in extra calories, and sugar calories on top of that! But, if you earned it, it is not possible for it to become fat, it has to be utilized, it is the most anabolic thing you can do for yourself post workout. The inuslin will drive the nutrients directly into the starving muscles. -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything....
ACT3 Posts: 44 Joined: 2003/04/07	2004/01/06, 01:24 PM Thanks for all your help bb1....one more thing. By earn it, you mean good, intense workouts right? I put in a very intense hour and a half, and afterwards am shaking, so insulin spiking post workout would be fine for me?...I would really hate to waste the hard work. thanks again for all your help -------------- If you work them, they will grow... ~-~-~-~- Al
	2004/01/06, 01:45 PM I use the regular hydrolyzed whey for post workout. If I add the maltodextrin and/or dextrose what % of the total formula should I add? In other words whey ??? % malto ??? % dex ??? % Do I need any other additives?? -------------- Living well is the best revenge. Charlie
	2004/01/06, 01:50 PM Damnit, I hit the button before I was done If I only buy one of the following formulas for a morning /evening shake which is the most benificial? I usually add a cup of oat meal to the morning shake. 25% Egg White Protein 25% Ion Exchange Whey Isolate 25% Milk Isolate 20% Maltodextrin 5% Glutamine Peptide $6.42 per pound 50% Milk Isolate 45% CFM whey isolate, ceramic filtered microfiltered whey isolate 5% L-Glutamine $7.04 per pound 40% Micellar Casein 30% Milk Isolate 20% CFM whey isolate, ceramic filtered microfiltered whey isolate 10% L-Glutamine $8.59 per pound -------------- Living well is the best revenge. Charlie
Jdelts Posts: 1,218 Joined: 2003/10/19	2004/01/07, 12:36 AM 100% Budweiser $14.99 per case -------------- May the lift be with you.
big_j_scf Posts: 308 Joined: 2003/11/08	2004/01/07, 01:43 AM So taking Dextrose and maltodextrin is what gives you the insulin spike? Does spiking increase your risk of diabetes if it runs in your family?
R_Mitty Posts: 54 Joined: 2003/08/29	2004/01/07, 03:39 AM Beer? Serious?
	2004/01/07, 10:15 AM Mitty , Delts was screwin with me . He wasn't serious. -------------- Living well is the best revenge. Charlie
I_Am-aZon Posts: 893 Joined: 2003/02/18	2004/01/07, 10:22 AM So after a great workout would this be enough for those spikes? I drink gatorade throughtout workout (approx .75 litre) Glutomine immediately afterwards mixed with remaining gatorade Protein drink within an hour (I try for the half hour, but I live far from gym) Should I up the gatorade quantity to get more malto dextrin? How do we know what is enough?
I_Am-aZon Posts: 893 Joined: 2003/02/18	2004/01/07, 10:22 AM Message deleted by moderator due to unsuitable content for this board.
rpacheco Posts: 3,770 Joined: 2001/12/13	2004/01/07, 11:31 AM Ron, most of the whey powders already contain x-amount of sugar. So how much malto/dextrose should be mixed if, let's say, there's already about 14g of sugar in the whey powder serving? Just curious... -------------- **_Robert_** Pain is temporary; glory is forever!
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/01/07, 10:39 AM Depends on your goals. If for instance you weigh 120, and trying to lean down, you would use 1/4 your bodyweight in simple carbs for starters, and that much in protein. So in this case, you would do 30 gr. of simple carbs, divided equally between dextrose and malto, and 30 gr. of protein. Drink 1/2 of it immediately, and sip the other half for the remainder of an hour. You will have to adjust this amount as you try to get leaner and leaner, but always give yourself a recovery. If you are trying to gain just double the amount to start with, and again adjust as needed. This is the best guideline to start with. If you don't have dextrose, which is very cheap by the way and available anywhere on line as is malto, then use gatorade. Powdered is best if you can get it, but still only in a pinch. Do not wait to have your protein either. Bring it to the gym in a baggie and just dump it directly into your gatorade. Timing is of the essence with this, you want your protein to be pushed into the muscles, and you are not doing this by taking it later. This is the main idea that makes this so anabolic. And I wouldn't use the gatorade during your workout if you don't have too. The more insulin sensitive you are, the more anabolic your post workout shake will be. -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything....
mmaibohm Posts: 1,621 Joined: 2003/09/30	2004/01/07, 11:34 AM Guys just remember insulin is nothing to play to hard with. I am an insulin dependent diabetic. Because of to much exogenous insulin i can get the fat off. Remember be good to your pancreas and it will be good to you lol
mmaibohm Posts: 1,621 Joined: 2003/09/30	2004/01/07, 11:40 AM Message deleted by moderator due to unsuitable content for this board.
howudon Posts: 23 Joined: 2003/10/28	2004/01/07, 11:59 AM Mmmm....beer and chicken.
	2004/01/07, 12:07 PM Robert that was basically my question too. Most hydrozilated formulas have sugars in them. I am also curious about the other question I wrote about am and pm shakes -------------- Living well is the best revenge. Charlie
I_Am-aZon Posts: 893 Joined: 2003/02/18	2004/01/07, 12:46 PM Thanks Ron - I will do this. So if my goal would be to Not loose weight, just reduce 4% of my body fat, would you suggest for someone at 140lb - 40-50g dextrose, 40-50g malto 40-50g protein? Does anyone know if there is there any online Canadian stores online that offer malto and dextrose? Regretably the exchange rates and shipping charges from the states to Canada aren't always great.
agamble Posts: 1,029 Joined: 2003/09/22	2004/01/07, 12:57 PM I may be confused but I believe you combine the malto and dextrose together for a total of 1/4 bodyweight I_Am-azon. That's what I do anyway. But, of course I could be doing it totally wrong. (I do 20g Malto, 20g Dextrose, 40g protein. Tastes like malted milk balls)
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/01/07, 01:36 PM Yes, agamble is exactly correct. You do not want 40-50 of each. If you want 40 gr. of simple carbs, use 20 gr. dextrose and 20 gr. malto. And I_Am-azon, wanting to lose 4% bodyfat, the formula I gave you is the one you would want to start with, and maybe reduce from there as your caloric needs change. And Robert, most wheys don't have sugar in them. What kind are you using? You want a pure whey isolate or a hydrolosate or mixture of the two. -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything....
I_Am-aZon Posts: 893 Joined: 2003/02/18	2004/01/07, 01:36 PM Your right agamble - my mistake. Thanks
	2004/01/07, 01:43 PM I use the regular hydrolyzed whey for post workout. If I add the maltodextrin and/or dextrose what % of the total formula should I add? In other words whey ??? % malto ??? % dex ??? % Do I need any other additives?? If I only buy one of the following formulas for a morning /evening shake which is the most benificial? I usually add a cup of oat meal to the morning shake. 25% Egg White Protein 25% Ion Exchange Whey Isolate 25% Milk Isolate 20% Maltodextrin 5% Glutamine Peptide $6.42 per pound 50% Milk Isolate 45% CFM whey isolate, ceramic filtered microfiltered whey isolate 5% L-Glutamine $7.04 per pound 40% Micellar Casein 30% Milk Isolate 20% CFM whey isolate, ceramic filtered microfiltered whey isolate 10% L-Glutamine $8.59 per pound -------------- Charlie -------------- Living well is the best revenge. -------------- Living well is the best revenge. Charlie
rpacheco Posts: 3,770 Joined: 2001/12/13	2004/01/07, 01:58 PM Thanks, Ron...I think I've overexaggerated on the sugar content...most contain about 1-2g of sugar. Anyway, it seems that WPI (whey protein isolate) is more expensive than WPC (whey protein concentrate). And, some WPC formulas already contain maltodextrin (HDT 6-in-1 for example). -------------- **_Robert_** Pain is temporary; glory is forever!
I_Am-aZon Posts: 893 Joined: 2003/02/18	2004/01/07, 02:24 PM Thanks again Ron - I will do this. :) Now trying to find the stuff... I will gatorade it until I can purchase Thanks x 10
vinniebonez Posts: 62 Joined: 2003/03/11	2004/03/20, 10:18 AM I have a tub of maltodextrin to mix in with my protein shakes... Do i need dextrose as well to see good gains ??? can one live with out the other ??
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/03/20, 10:31 AM Here is your link for malto.http://store.yahoo.com/vitaglo/2020.html.. Here is your link for dextrose...http://store.yahoo.com/vitaglo/6925.html Hope this helps. Quoting from I_Am-azon: Thanks again Ron - I will do this. :) Now trying to find the stuff... I will gatorade it until I can purchase Thanks x 10 ============= -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.... bb1fit@freetrainers.com
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/03/20, 10:34 AM Dextrose will definitely help. It is super fast absorbing, as is malto. Malto is actually a "complex" carb, but with easily broken chains which lead to very quick absorbtion. Just a tad slower than dextrose. That is why they work so well together. You could go with just malto though, you will not do any harm. ============ Quoting from vinniebonez: I have a tub of maltodextrin to mix in with my protein shakes... Do i need dextrose as well to see good gains ??? can one live with out the other ?? ============= -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.... bb1fit@freetrainers.com
vinniebonez Posts: 62 Joined: 2003/03/11	2004/03/20, 01:02 PM okok.. i got off my butt and went to the health store and bought some Dextrose! $1.88 for 400 g Canadian.. not bAAAD!!!!! meanwhile I have a PROLAB tub of Medium chain complex carbs (maltodextrin) 1 kg for $18.99 Canadian! i will use them togethor! yes baby YES!!!
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/03/20, 01:38 PM Make sure you use the proper amounts depending on your goals. Use lean body mass for starters instead of full bodyweight. ============ Quoting from vinniebonez: okok.. i got off my butt and went to the health store and bought some Dextrose! $1.88 for 400 g Canadian.. not bAAAD!!!!! meanwhile I have a PROLAB tub of Medium chain complex carbs (maltodextrin) 1 kg for $18.99 Canadian! i will use them togethor! yes baby YES!!! ============= -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.... bb1fit@freetrainers.com
hecdarec Posts: 2,457 Joined: 2003/12/16	2004/03/22, 03:14 PM OK this is what I plan on doing from here on out. Please tell me if it is correct. Immediately after my workout I am going to take my creatine with gateorade (insulin spiking?). Then I am going to drink half of my dextrose/malto/protein mix and sip the rest over a 30-45 minute period. Is this on the money? Forgive me for I am new to all of this sh*t -------------- My gym dues are not paid with money.
efrost Posts: 99 Joined: 2003/09/28	2004/03/22, 03:34 PM Yes, I'd like to double check my mixtures as well.. I weight 150 pounds. I use Designer Whey Protein.. It's 35g protein for 2 scoops. I should be mixing it with 37g mixture of Dextrose/Malto? Shouldn't I be mixing Dextrose/Malto with the Creatine? Can I drink Creatine and Protein mix directly after one another? I'm so confused..
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/03/22, 07:02 PM You are very close, have it a bit backward. Start with the protein/dextrose/malto, and about 20 minutes into this drink, then have your creatine. Do not use gatorade or any other "spiking" method here, you should already have high levels of serum insulin from the dextrose/malto, so none is needed now. This is why this timing is the best. Keep sipping the rest of your p/d/m mix for another 30 minutes or more. ============ Quoting from hecdarec: OK this is what I plan on doing from here on out. Please tell me if it is correct. Immediately after my workout I am going to take my creatine with gateorade (insulin spiking?). Then I am going to drink half of my dextrose/malto/protein mix and sip the rest over a 30-45 minute period. Is this on the money? Forgive me for I am new to all of this sh*t ============= -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.... bb1fit@freetrainers.com
Jdelts Posts: 1,218 Joined: 2003/10/19	2004/03/22, 09:59 PM What type of health food store did you go to? I can't find this stuff unless its on-line. ============ Quoting from vinniebonez: okok.. i got off my butt and went to the health store and bought some Dextrose! $1.88 for 400 g Canadian.. not bAAAD!!!!! meanwhile I have a PROLAB tub of Medium chain complex carbs (maltodextrin) 1 kg for $18.99 Canadian! i will use them togethor! yes baby YES!!! ============= -------------- Baseball is wrong: Man with four balls cannot walk. Jdelts@freetrainers.com
vinniebonez Posts: 62 Joined: 2003/03/11	2004/03/23, 12:19 AM Jdelts... the the prolab I purchased from a health store called "Nutrition Depot" (I always go there, great staff always helpful and they "LOOK" like they know what they are talking about, ripped, good looking people :)) ... and the dextrose i bought from the health store in the shopping mall.. dont remember the name of the store...
JustinE22 Posts: 1,312 Joined: 2003/09/18	2004/03/24, 01:24 AM I weigh 184 lbs. and am trying to gain wieght over the past 3 weeks i've done insulin spiking and the scale went from 179-180 to almost 185 now. I was wondering if i've been doing it right. Obviously i must be doing something right but just to make sure. I have cut my surgar intake down to the point where i don't eat anything sweet during the day and stopped eating fruit and started taking vitamins instead. After my workout i chug 12oz. of cell tech and then chug half my protein shake(AST VP2) which is about 50gr. then sip the rest for the next 30-45 min. My question is, is the 75gr. of surgar from the cell tech too much?
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/03/24, 09:27 AM Again, this depends on your lean bodyweight. This is one problem with celltech, it is tough to adjust due to the creatine for one. Secondly, the point is to sip your "simple sugars" throughtout the 45 min.-1 hr. timespan so you re-regulate your blood sugars and blunt any further rise in cortisol. Dumping 75 gr. of sugar at one time is a "heavy" insulin spike, and can lead to very unwanted "gains". Check your body composition. One other thing, do you get real tired an hour or so after you take your celltech? Your energy levels must not fall during this time, if they do, you are either taking too much and you are getting the ineveitable blood sugar dive, or you did not adjust your size correctly(which I doubt with 75 gr. of sugar). If you are happy with it,(your body comp and weight gain), then proceed as you are I guess. But be careful here. -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.... bb1fit@freetrainers.com
JustinE22 Posts: 1,312 Joined: 2003/09/18	2004/03/24, 11:03 AM I'd have to say i'm some where in the 12-15% body fat range and the gains i've seen don't seem to be fat since i notice the gains to be muscle whenever i flex. Would it be beneficial to chug half the the cell tech then half the protein shake then sip on them both for the next 45min?
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/03/24, 12:36 PM Yes, but the problem with celltech stems from leaving creatine in a fluid for that long. That is why it is so much better, and cheaper, in my opinion to make your own. You can utilize the time period much better, and save some money to boot. -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.... bb1fit@freetrainers.com
Jdelts Posts: 1,218 Joined: 2003/10/19	2004/03/24, 06:15 PM Yes! Don't take it in all at once...I learned that the hard way by gaining unwanted fat...but I still made awsome gains. Now I sip away and I don't worry about the insuline storing the unwanted fat. -------------- Baseball is wrong: Man with four balls cannot walk. Jdelts@freetrainers.com
JustinE22 Posts: 1,312 Joined: 2003/09/18	2004/03/25, 12:58 AM so you don't think it will be a problem waiting at least 30 min. to sip the rest of the cell tech? Do you think leaving the creatine in the water that long will be fine?
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/03/25, 10:19 AM No, I do not. -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.... bb1fit@freetrainers.com
JustinE22 Posts: 1,312 Joined: 2003/09/18	2004/03/25, 10:51 AM Sorry to be a pain bb1fit but which question are you answering no to. no it won't be a problem or no the the creatine will not be ok in the water for 30 min. thanks for your patience
JustinE22 Posts: 1,312 Joined: 2003/09/18	2004/03/25, 02:45 PM oh and what's a good complex carb to have after a workout?:big_smile:
JustinE22 Posts: 1,312 Joined: 2003/09/18	2004/03/25, 03:06 PM What if i just chugged one scoop of cell tech then half the protein shake then make another cell tech shake with one scoop and chug it 15 min later or sip on the cell tech?
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/05/07, 06:56 PM You cannot leave creatine in water for that long. ============ Quoting from justinE22: Sorry to be a pain bb1fit but which question are you answering no to. no it won't be a problem or no the the creatine will not be ok in the water for 30 min. thanks for your patience ============= -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.... bb1fit@freetrainers.com

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