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bigandrew Posts: 5,146 Joined: 2002/10/21	2003/12/31, 11:06 PM i dunno about any of th other "expierenced" guys( girls) but i realy getting tired of people posting questions over and over again about how they can bench more, i mean no offense i wouldn't mind having 50lbs on my bench we all would but come on there are other things in life to worry about, and other muscles. When did it become a test of man hood about how much u can bench press? I see so many guys in the weight rooom that come in 3 times a week and do nothing but arms and chest thats it! but i do notice that these guys seem to wear sweat pants alot, gee i wonder y? would anyone here build a 20 story building with out a foundation? hell no its not safe i wouldn't go in it lol.. your body is like a contractor, it builds and rebuilds muscle for u, giving u give it what u want... however ur ' contractor" will only allow u body to get so strong or so out of " proportion"( ex. upper body bigger than lower)so i have read anyways i don't have the artical to back it up though , your lower body has bigger muscles in it for a reason to carry it tall and proud. so take care of ur whole body and it will take care of you!.......the ark wasn't built in a day and it do have a good inner foundation as well! sorry just need to vent off a lil -------------- ---andrew.......adversity causes some to break, but others to break records!
jplatz Posts: 196 Joined: 2002/10/08	2004/01/02, 09:56 AM The reason everyone wants to have that bigger bench is because it's the standard in society. Have you ever noticed that when someone notices you and notices that you workout, they tend to ask, "What do you bench?" or "What do you lift?" Now you and I know that they are not referring to our squat or shoulder press or deadlift or cleans on that last question. They only want to hear what you bench because that's all they know. Look at every magazine in publication regarding workouts, ie M&F, Flex, Muscular Development, etc. Each one has an "article" (term used very loosely) about a bigger bench or bigger chest. This makes the novice or those people who are ignorant about weightlifting focus on the chest. It also has to do with were people focus their attention. We look at the chest, shoulders, and arms first. If you are a true weightlifter/bodybuilder, you notice back and legs as well, but the general public focuses on the first three. This causes the constant desire for a bigger bench and bigger chest. Personally, I prefer to talk about my leg strength instead of my upper body. But, for you novices, with that lower body foundation comes the bigger upper body. You don't have to have a massive bench to show a massive body. Even though I don't have a massive 1rm on bench, I still look big and get plenty of compliments and stares. It's quite gratifying because I know that those come from my foundation of legs and back and not so much bench. Andrew, you're completely correct about the body needing a good, strong foundation. Unfortunately, in a shallow, first-impression based society, it's the chest and bench that rule. We can only laugh at those guys with big shoulders, big arms, big chests and tiny, scrawny legs. -------------- Pain is but a threshold to greater strength.
INTRUDER Posts: 642 Joined: 2002/06/27	2004/01/02, 11:14 AM So, how much can you bench then? -------------- "Get everthing you want--just make a little change now"
	2004/01/02, 11:26 AM lol Intruder, you kill me. -------------- Living well is the best revenge. Charlie
jplatz Posts: 196 Joined: 2002/10/08	2004/01/02, 11:58 AM LOL Intruder! Too funny! -------------- Pain is but a threshold to greater strength.
bigandrew Posts: 5,146 Joined: 2002/10/21	2004/01/02, 04:32 PM yea i get looks too, even though i have a conciderably weak bench even though people think i bench like 375 lol its really quite funny, but any time some one does ask me i know that 9 times outta 10 they r trying to bost there ego and not trying to have a friendly compotition, and i say anyone can bench.........but met meet me at the squat rack baby, and trust me i don't to sissy squats! -------------- ---andrew.......adversity causes some to break, but others to break records!
Carivan Posts: 8,542 Joined: 2002/01/20	2004/01/02, 06:11 PM <<<<<<wonders how much they bench! LOL -------------- "A will finds a way" Ivan Montreal Canada
bigandrew Posts: 5,146 Joined: 2002/10/21	2004/01/02, 08:17 PM i'm not nothing to sneeze at by no means lol i can do more reps that actually weight, on a new power program i'm on one week i did 200lbs for 17 reps by myself, then when i gto to 225 i did that for 9 reps, then when i hit 250 it was like 6 reps, then 275 for like 4 reps. that was as far as i got in the program . one week ur start out at 12 reps for the 1st set after that u have 3 sets of as many as u can do by urself, next work out its 10 reps, then 3 sets of as many as u can do without a spot and so one, i only made it tell week 9 of a 12 week program -------------- ---andrew.......adversity causes some to break, but others to break records!
Carivan Posts: 8,542 Joined: 2002/01/20	2004/01/02, 08:36 PM Thats pretty darn good. It's motivating to hear success. -------------- "A will finds a way" Ivan Montreal Canada
Jdelts Posts: 1,218 Joined: 2003/10/19	2004/01/02, 11:05 PM That is one of my biggest pet peaves with idiots in the gym..."how do I get my bench better?" I like how Jplatz incorperated the sociological aspect of bench press as the excuse.LOL I competed in bench for a few years and I still never measured a person's overal strength by their bench. Case in point; my buddy benches 420 and can't even squat 385. He's a meat-head. As much as I adore my bench press and the achievements I've made therein, It really doesn't mean crap in the overall scheme of things. -------------- May the lift be with you.
Jdelts Posts: 1,218 Joined: 2003/10/19	2004/01/03, 04:43 PM NALABP.....National association of lifters against bench press...who's with me?! Ya know, bench, of course, is a pretty important movement and we do need it. BUT IT IS NOT HOW YOU MEASURE YOUR OVERALL STRENGTH AND I DON'T CARE HOW MUCH YOU CAN BENCH! Sorry all, didn't mean to yell. -------------- May the lift be with you.
Carivan Posts: 8,542 Joined: 2002/01/20	2004/01/03, 05:34 PM ok then.....how much do you lateral? LOL -------------- "A will finds a way" Ivan Montreal Canada
bigandrew Posts: 5,146 Joined: 2002/10/21	2004/01/03, 07:20 PM i think a wonderful teast of overall strength is the power clean , and dead lift, it incorperates every muscle in the body! bench pressing is to hit the targeted muscles not the ego sake -------------- ---andrew.......adversity causes some to break, but others to break records!
Jdelts Posts: 1,218 Joined: 2003/10/19	2004/01/04, 01:49 PM How much can you calf raise? LOL -------------- May the lift be with you.
JMLcmt Posts: 78 Joined: 2003/10/21	2004/01/15, 03:15 PM I am one of the biggest guys in my gym and I still don't know how much I can bench? I see it as a waste of time and energy... Besides, I'm only competing with myself?!
Jdelts Posts: 1,218 Joined: 2003/10/19	2004/01/15, 03:27 PM I wouldn't call it a waste of time or energy, but NOT the most important exercise for overall strengh testing. -------------- May the lift be with you.
hecdarec Posts: 2,457 Joined: 2003/12/16	2004/01/15, 03:35 PM I go to the gym everyday and there is a stocky guy who drink coffee and bench presses. EVERYDAY!!!! I have never witnessed him do anything else. I find this hilarious. I also find it hilarious that he has a mullett but that is just me. -------------- Hec da Rec in full effect.
Jdelts Posts: 1,218 Joined: 2003/10/19	2004/01/15, 03:37 PM Mullets Rule!!! LOL...that explains alot about this guy.(not you hec, the guy at your gym) -------------- May the lift be with you.
bigandrew Posts: 5,146 Joined: 2002/10/21	2004/01/18, 06:47 PM and y is it the goofest guys can bench press alot of weight........theres a guy at my gym that what he does is bench.......hes probbaly about 260( not toned at all) thsi guys stomach stickout past his birn chest, his arms are the size of my forearms, but he can cumin and bench 315 for like 3 reps lol whats up with this? lol i train everything and the most i can do for 4 reps is like 280 somthing somtimes its just not fare -------------- ---andrew.......adversity causes some to break, but others to break records! LEAVE YOUR EGO AT THE DOOR!!
Jdelts Posts: 1,218 Joined: 2003/10/19	2004/01/18, 09:26 PM Strength sees no goofines...Ah, who cares about bench Andrew, at least you can deadlift and squat the equivalent of a small car. -------------- May the lift be with you.
bigandrew Posts: 5,146 Joined: 2002/10/21	2004/01/19, 12:17 AM yea i guess, but very few ask me how much i deadlift...only my bench.........and i feel like a " dork" cause i can't legimatly say 300lbs or whatever cause i have never " maxed out" but its ok i'm happy and thats all that matters...........i'm a weigth lifter..........not a "ego lifter" i train for me not bragging rights -------------- ---andrew.......adversity causes some to break, but others to break records! LEAVE YOUR EGO AT THE DOOR!!
Jdelts Posts: 1,218 Joined: 2003/10/19	2004/01/19, 01:28 AM Ya, Ya, Yada, Yada, Yada....You lift for the chicks and you know it. -------------- May the lift be with you.
bigandrew Posts: 5,146 Joined: 2002/10/21	2004/01/19, 02:44 PM lol.......no i cheerlead for the chicks :) -------------- ---andrew.......adversity causes some to break, but others to break records! LEAVE YOUR EGO AT THE DOOR!!
Jdelts Posts: 1,218 Joined: 2003/10/19	2004/01/19, 09:21 PM Ah...excellent point...some envy your position...I would say I envy it but my girlfriend would smack me. -------------- May the lift be with you.
dhurt55 Posts: 93 Joined: 2004/01/02	2004/01/25, 05:53 PM Im behind Big Andrew 100% on this one...in my school...guys see me and because im one of the biggest guys in the school, are always asking me how much I bench...this is ridiculous...I take 10 times more pride in my cleans and deadlifts than that of my bench...not braggin or ne thing but I hold the record at my school for the hang clean :P LOL....so how much do u guys clean? ============ Quoting from bigandrew: i think a wonderful teast of overall strength is the power clean , and dead lift, it incorperates every muscle in the body! bench pressing is to hit the targeted muscles not the ego sake ============= -------------- "Without Pains, there come no Gains" -Benjamin Franklin
7707mutt Posts: 7,686 Joined: 2002/06/18	2004/01/25, 06:57 PM NOt sure how much I clean never done one! -------------- LIFT HEAVY! BECOME STRONG, LIKE BULL!
bigandrew Posts: 5,146 Joined: 2002/10/21	2004/01/25, 07:12 PM cleans...........i have just no incoprpereted them back into my routine, cause i kinda retired them but now i have reintroduced them. i haet very good form at oen time but then my coach made us start doing hang cleans, wich is ok but he woudl make us max doing them off the floor my body couldn't do both lol.......at the most i was 222 and could clean 280 hanging from my theighs.........nwo i'm comming off the floow once again and since i don't have a spotter can't go heavy, and i don't have rubber weights which is noisy using metal ones lol but i do 225 for 9 reps btu my probel is i don't drop under it it goes from floor to my chest with a very slight bend in my knees, i don't get paraler liek i should lol -------------- ---andrew.......adversity causes some to break, but others to break records! LEAVE YOUR EGO AT THE DOOR!!
halfpint116 Posts: 189 Joined: 2003/12/29	2004/01/25, 07:16 PM What is the difference in the incline bench press and the regular lying on your back benchpress? What significant muscles does each one work? I do both. Don't ask me how much I can bench either, remember I am just a halfpint. LOL
bigandrew Posts: 5,146 Joined: 2002/10/21	2004/01/25, 07:37 PM lol incline bench works more your upper chest, and regular bench is more middle chest area, then decline works your lower chest........decline chest actually uses more muscle fibers, especially if you use dumbells -------------- ---andrew.......adversity causes some to break, but others to break records! LEAVE YOUR EGO AT THE DOOR!!
Jdelts Posts: 1,218 Joined: 2003/10/19	2004/01/25, 08:28 PM I clean every day...if I didn't, I'd smell pretty bad. -------------- May the lift be with you.
dhurt55 Posts: 93 Joined: 2004/01/02	2004/01/26, 11:13 AM LOL....I knew someone would say that...... -------------- "Without Pains, there come no Gains" -Benjamin Franklin
arondaballer Posts: 1,054 Joined: 2003/06/14	2004/01/28, 08:35 PM Man you can squat and deadlift a lot andrew. How much do you bench? -------------- If Satan ever tries to remind you of your past, just tell him of his future!
dhurt55 Posts: 93 Joined: 2004/01/02	2004/01/28, 09:11 PM LOL....wasnt this article about the insignificance of the benchpress as opposed to the other compound lifts??? GEEZ...haha just kiddin -------------- "Without Pains, there come no Gains" -Benjamin Franklin
Jdelts Posts: 1,218 Joined: 2003/10/19	2004/01/29, 11:14 AM LOL...I rest my case along with Andrew and Dhurt! Its just too funny how this is the stigma behind bench press. ============ Quoting from arondaballer: Man you can squat and deadlift a lot andrew. How much do you bench? ============= -------------- May the lift be with you.
bigandrew Posts: 5,146 Joined: 2002/10/21	2004/01/30, 12:31 PM ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! (cussing rantly).........man thought i had started somthing here on my soap box and i justgot knocked off lol -------------- ---andrew.......adversity causes some to break, but others to break records! LEAVE YOUR EGO AT THE DOOR!!
Leilita808 Posts: 154 Joined: 2004/01/07	2004/02/03, 01:48 PM I can't even bench my own weight =( *sniffle*
bigandrew Posts: 5,146 Joined: 2002/10/21	2004/02/03, 04:58 PM hey don't worry about it there was a time when i couldn't do my body weight...........mayeb only 20% of the population of people who work out started out with their body weight on bench, some upper body don't come as easy -------------- ---andrew.......adversity causes some to break, but others to break records! LEAVE YOUR EGO AT THE DOOR!!
vikingchild Posts: 143 Joined: 2004/02/18	2004/02/19, 09:46 PM thanks guys it incouraging to read your commits .i would be very happy benching my body weight250 but rather be propotional all over.i can say i never gave two **its about what people bench as long as they can sincerely help me use proper tech. and lift safely .so i use 75 pounds fro most of my two arms exercises i go until failure then lower the weight and keep going again until just bar i feel good abou tit but know over all i have puny lifts compared to others in gyms
mmaibohm Posts: 1,621 Joined: 2003/09/30	2004/02/19, 09:59 PM Hey who care about the other guy in the gym. This is a personal war! lol. I see guys all the time who are smaller in stature than me but can move allot of weight good for them. I am happy as long as I can beat last weeks max. When it comes to bench I cant even use the 75's for it. SO there your all ready doing better lol. was that 75lbs in each hand or total? -------------- I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it is gone past me I will turn to see fear's path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain
vikingchild Posts: 143 Joined: 2004/02/18	2004/02/19, 10:05 PM 75 total i know it is a safe weight to use but basically was all the weight i had it home then became natrual to me to use and just go to failure then slowly drop weight now i have access to gym so i know i crave all the knowledge and tips i can get.by the way i never used over two 45's per side in my life but thanks for visual would be nice one day far far away in life
mmaibohm Posts: 1,621 Joined: 2003/09/30	2004/02/19, 10:15 PM I primairly use dumbells for the bench workouts. I do use barbells for inlcine as part of my program. My best for the benches is one 45lbs dumbell in each hand. -------------- I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it is gone past me I will turn to see fear's path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain
bigandrew Posts: 5,146 Joined: 2002/10/21	2004/02/24, 05:45 PM I use barbells on flat banch only, and dumbells on the rest, thats actually my only barbel excercise on chest day, this summer when I "cut up" I may use all dumbells, I got the 50in chest no I want it to look liek 50ins i want that line down my chest lol -------------- .......adversity causes some to break, but others to break records! ......minds are not vessles to be filled, but fires to be enlightened ......Confucious once said ,DO NOT play leap frog with a unicorn
Jdelts Posts: 1,218 Joined: 2003/10/19	2004/02/24, 11:56 PM I use barbell on incline for strength gains on the upper chest. DB's for the proportion and connective tissue strength. Thats just me though.:cool: -------------- May the lift be with you.
Jdelts Posts: 1,218 Joined: 2003/10/19	2004/02/24, 11:58 PM LOL...I just read your last quote about Confucious...LOL Confucious say, "man with hand in pocket, feel cocky all day":big_smile: -------------- May the lift be with you.
bigandrew Posts: 5,146 Joined: 2002/10/21	2004/02/25, 11:47 AM thats a pretty good one too lol...........I always been old shool doing flat bench, amazing though how i didn't do incline, but when I reincorperated that back in my bench pressing got eaiser..........but i'm starting to like dumbells more and more. -------------- .......adversity causes some to break, but others to break records! ......minds are not vessles to be filled, but fires to be enlightened ......Confucious once said ,DO NOT play leap frog with a unicorn
benching Posts: 125 Joined: 2004/03/14	2004/04/26, 08:05 PM people make me feel bad with my name on the site but ya i do agree.im 15 yr old freshman with an ok body and people always come up to me and ask me how much i bench at the school gym and im like" oh,185(just started)" and there like of you wussy and then i go and squat 390 and everyone shutsup.i havnt started deadlifts cause some people have told me i shouldnt cause of my age and my developing back wat u guys think about that
benching Posts: 125 Joined: 2004/03/14	2004/04/26, 08:08 PM oops typo not 390, its 290. dam i just noticed that would be some crazy stuff banching 180 and squatting 390 lol but its really 290
bigandrew Posts: 5,146 Joined: 2002/10/21	2004/04/28, 03:13 PM if your saying the excercise is not right for your age then why are you benching and squating? Your devoloping your chest and leg muscles why not your back, traps,hams, gluts and trunk during deadlifts. I started doing benching, cleans,squats and deadlifts at your age. -------------- .......adversity causes some to break, but others to break records! ......minds are not vessles to be filled, but fires to be enlightened ......Confucious once said ,DO NOT play leap frog with a unicorn
benching Posts: 125 Joined: 2004/03/14	2004/04/30, 03:28 PM i didnt say that i meant that other people are telling me not to becasue they think its gonna casue some kind of damage or something i personally want to start deadlifting casue i think it is a very productive exercise
bigandrew Posts: 5,146 Joined: 2002/10/21	2005/04/03, 10:51 AM just wanted to bump this up.......because of the all of a sudden onsluaght of bechpressers lol -------------- " The only true eye, is your minds eye"- plato

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