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bigandrew Posts: 5,146 Joined: 2002/10/21	2005/02/07, 02:00 PM right now, i'm at 485...for one rep.....after 8 sets -------------- My drinking squad, has a cheerleading problem!!
bigandrew Posts: 5,146 Joined: 2002/10/21	2005/02/07, 02:00 PM btw......no straps, wraps ,gloves, belts -------------- My drinking squad, has a cheerleading problem!!
howdiekat Posts: 1,345 Joined: 2003/05/22	2005/02/07, 02:21 PM thanks mutt and menace. when i first started i was only doing about 125, so i've really come a long way. congrats to everyone who has made improvements! -------------- if you get me started on quentin tarantino films, chances are you won't be able to shut me up. excuses are really good for making you fat. margarine is a liar who announces, "i am butter!"
bigandrew Posts: 5,146 Joined: 2002/10/21	2005/02/07, 04:49 PM yea howdie good job.....need a spot ;) -------------- My drinking squad, has a cheerleading problem!!
	2005/02/07, 04:52 PM lol...yea congrats to everyone who made progress or who continues to perservere..
	2005/02/07, 04:54 PM timmstar use alternating grip..One hand over the bar, the other hand over..much better grip ...you'll improve probably by a good 50 pounds or more...
howdiekat Posts: 1,345 Joined: 2003/05/22	2005/02/07, 04:54 PM haha, maybe when i go for 250. :) ============ Quoting from bigandrew: yea howdie good job.....need a spot ;) ============= -------------- if you get me started on quentin tarantino films, chances are you won't be able to shut me up. excuses are really good for making you fat. margarine is a liar who announces, "i am butter!"
gatormade Posts: 1,355 Joined: 2003/10/01	2005/02/08, 11:27 AM I only heavy deadlift once or twice every 9-12 weeks. Deadlifting is extremely hard on your body. I do alot of 50% speed deadlifts after max effort squat variations. Build your deadlift with RDLs, Box squats, good mornings, glute-ham raise, back hypers, heavy abs... After 6 weeks of this type of training try 1 max effort DL workout then drop it for another 6 weeks. I learned from experience and now I hope you all benefit from it....
gatormade Posts: 1,355 Joined: 2003/10/01	2005/02/08, 11:28 AM I also feel reps of 5 or more on deadlifting promotes bad habits and increases the chance of injury. It is easier to cheat performing multiple reps. An average persons attention span is 8-15 seconds or in our terms 2-5 reps.
wrestler125 Posts: 4,619 Joined: 2004/01/27	2005/02/08, 09:06 PM Timmstar: yes, use the same 1rm for all 10 weeks, then recheck your 1rm. This is what most programs usually do. -------------- Only a man who knows what it is like to be defeated can reach down to the bottom of his soul and come up with the extra ounce of power it takes to win when the match is even. steve
wrestler125 Posts: 4,619 Joined: 2004/01/27	2005/02/08, 09:10 PM Another thing i hate that people cheat with; bouncing the weight off the floor for your next rep. theres a reason its called a deadlift. Because the weight is dead, theres no momentum. You only get one attempt in competitions, and you cant bounce the weight to get it started. So you should train with the weight from a stand-still. -------------- Only a man who knows what it is like to be defeated can reach down to the bottom of his soul and come up with the extra ounce of power it takes to win when the match is even. steve
wrestler125 Posts: 4,619 Joined: 2004/01/27	2005/02/08, 09:12 PM ....unless your doing ballistic speed deadlifts
bigandrew Posts: 5,146 Joined: 2002/10/21	2005/02/08, 10:16 PM hmm........thanks gator... i think i been over doing the dl a lil bit......i'm gonna giv emy body a lil break......being doing it for 3 weeks, I miised my 5 plats the other night(495) got it about 6in off the ground, but gave out. I was thinking that my take off is to slow, and my top 2/3 is a weak ness........so should I do some speed dls on dynmaic days? and some partials( off a pin or rack......on max heavy days? Or vice versa? -------------- My drinking squad, has a cheerleading problem!!
timmstar Posts: 426 Joined: 2003/12/08	2005/02/09, 12:47 AM alternating grip.. the only grip i been doing so far.. but ill keep in mind and continue it :D:D thnx menace and also thnx wrestler for confirming that with me, gatormade what kinda heavy ab work you do?? my abs r never saw anymore unless i do a billion sets of heavyy power cleans :(
gatormade Posts: 1,355 Joined: 2003/10/01	2005/02/09, 11:38 AM I do steep decline sit-ups with a 100lb plate. I do 4 or 5 sets of 10 with 1 min between each set. I do that at the end of my heavy max effort lower body day. Start light and work up. I promise it will make your abs sore if you get heavy enough. Andrew: Try speed deadlifts after you max effort lower body exercise. Do 5 sets of 1 and superset it with box jumps or broad jumps for sets of 2-3 reps. Take 45s to 1 min TBS. Also try standing on a stable board or a 45 lb plate. You'll have to go lighter but it will help. Try heavy pin pulls after your dynamic box squat day. Do 4 sets of 3 at the 2/3 mark you mentioned.
bigandrew Posts: 5,146 Joined: 2002/10/21	2005/02/09, 01:54 PM thanks.....I'll start this on fri my d-leg day -------------- My drinking squad, has a cheerleading problem!!
	2005/02/22, 01:24 AM it's not about the weight...it's about the intensity....and the rep range you use....we use reps at 5 or under...and rest longer... I generally do 2-3 working sets of deadlifts every 18-21 days (every time I train my back)....doing sets of 1-3 reps....and rest 20-30 minutes between my sets...for this exercise....this is very unique to me though...I do what works for me...my main goal is to lift a smuch weight as possible...however, my back is also my biggest bodypart as a subset of this.... are you interested in strength or mass aspects of deadlifts?
italian_boxer Posts: 82 Joined: 2005/03/01	2005/03/04, 12:28 AM keep on pumping it up boys.
	2005/03/04, 05:26 AM godlike then do reps of 6-8 and rest 2-3 minutes between sets.... so like (12*,8,8,6,6)
	2005/03/12, 11:39 PM warm up using weight 50% of your 1 rep max for 12 reps....then for next for sets pick weights you can do only those reps...so 8 reps, 8 reps, 8 reps, and 6 reps...that's the most you will do on each set...and maybe even a rep less.....
gatormade Posts: 1,355 Joined: 2003/10/01	2005/05/18, 10:18 AM Sticky this one please
mmaibohm Posts: 1,621 Joined: 2003/09/30	2005/06/10, 07:49 PM I have never heard of anyone blowing a disc doing them but who knows anything can happen. -------------- I am that which must be feared, worshipped and adored. The world is mine now and forever.No one holds command over me. No man. No god. I am ANIMAL! and that is enough.
bigandrew Posts: 5,146 Joined: 2002/10/21	2005/06/10, 08:23 PM see swarm I see more people get hurt from benching than deadlifts....deadlift you feel somthing "go" you let go....lift over.......bench somthing goes wrong......its gonna fall on you! NO where to go...... I been deadlifting for almost 5 years.......no back trouble at all. Butt down, chest up, look up at the sky and kiss it! -------------- gravity is not a law, only a obstacle
DeadOnArrival Posts: 95 Joined: 2005/05/22	2005/06/11, 02:15 AM I love the feeling of total exhaustion after romanian deadlifts. I feel like I used up the last of my fuel on the heavy sets. My main problem is grip. I do chins and heavy shrugs, but by back and legs can handle way more still. I always used to strap on. I'm was doing sumo's for a while, but the grip thing shits me. Tempted to start using straps again, but I know I'll never get strong grip if I do that.
mmaibohm Posts: 1,621 Joined: 2003/09/30	2005/06/11, 05:13 AM buy a grip trainer ivanko makes a nice one -------------- I am that which must be feared, worshipped and adored. The world is mine now and forever.No one holds command over me. No man. No god. I am ANIMAL! and that is enough.
bigandrew Posts: 5,146 Joined: 2002/10/21	2005/06/11, 06:45 PM why not do deads 1st? since it takes so much out of you? -------------- gravity is not a law, only a obstacle
gatormade Posts: 1,355 Joined: 2003/10/01	2005/06/14, 05:32 PM Deadlifts, done properly, will strengthen your back. I fell on the ice 6 years ago. Blew my lower back up. Lots of scar tissue on the bottom left side of my back. I picked up deadlifting to strengthen it. I started with 135. My back has gotten stronger. The pain has gone away. I am close to a 700 lb deadlift and I have no pain at all. Give it a try and don't make excuses for why you don't deadlift.
gatormade Posts: 1,355 Joined: 2003/10/01	2005/07/31, 03:31 AM We can never let this thread fall off! It is has alot of great posts.
wrestler125 Posts: 4,619 Joined: 2004/01/27	2005/07/31, 11:25 PM I think everyone should go back about halfway, to march 22, 2004, and read mutt's post. That is how deadlift day is for me, and what it should be for you
yodaddyOG Posts: 46 Joined: 2003/06/18	2005/08/01, 03:22 AM wow what an awesome thread. I really learned alot. And it's good to know that not everyone starts off at 300 pound deadlifts. Shesh i was feeling pretty pathetic. Wow the way FT fitenss plan has my deadlift planned it says 20,12,10,8. So that is totally wrong then right??? Also what is a good range to start i'm not sure how much weight I "should" be lifting. Also if it's not to much to ask can someone post a good starting deadlift routine to sub in for my FT deadlift routine. Since a set should not be more that 5 reps.
wrestler125 Posts: 4,619 Joined: 2004/01/27	2005/08/01, 11:12 PM The thing about a set never being more than 5 reps isnt entirely true. Maybe it's more true with the deadlift, but sometimes it is good to do higher reps. I personally would never lift more than 5 reps on the deadlift, and I do a thick bar deadlift, so it is less taxing. What FT routine are you on? Most of the people here on this forum follow a powerlifting style routine, so any plan that I would write for you would be totally different. -------------- The best feeling in the world is the feeling you get after a tough set of squats after you step back from the power rack and throw up all over the floor.
gatormade Posts: 1,355 Joined: 2003/10/01	2005/08/02, 09:37 AM I always say no more then 5 reps on the deadlift because doing reps on the deadlift trains more reversal strength than a better pull. Plus, if you want to lift heavy with any exercise then you need to keep your reps under 5.
wrestler125 Posts: 4,619 Joined: 2004/01/27	2005/08/03, 01:12 PM Here's what Pavel Tsatsouline has to say about the deadlift: Call me biased, but the deadlift is THE exercise of choice for anyone, from a computer geek to an olympic athlete. It lends itself to tremdous weights, it teaches you some useful habits for every day life, and does not require any equipment except a barbell which will not set you back more than $150. At least until you pull over three hundred pounds. Hardcore metal heads usually praise the squat as the as the numero uno exercise and 'the measure of a man' (even if you are a woman). I disagree, The squat is a very technical lift. A beginner needs a few months of instruction by a powerlifter before he can do a decent squat. 995 of squats I have witnessed at health clubs, even by seasoned gym rates, were atrocious in form Besides, you need reliable spotters and/or a safety rack unless you want to get squashed like a bug if you make a wrong move. The deadlift can simply be dropped which makes it a lot more user friendly. and the deadlift works a lot more muscles than the squat because you must hold on to the bar instead of letting it ride on your shoulders. Let us get real. Anyone can relate to beding over and picking up a weight. 'Dip, grip, and rip" is the most normal and common movement. "The deadlift is the main exercise" states Igor Sukhotsky, M.Sc., who performs military oriented strength research. "It improves performance in all sports and decelops primary power." Sukhotsky knows. This renaissance man used to be a nationally ranked weightlifter and today he competes in full contact karate at fifty something years of age. "One of the factors that makes the deadlift very effectice, very hard, and very uncomfortable" writes New York powerlifter and chiropractor Dr. Ken Leistnr. "is the fact taht it works 'a lot' of muscles. One should not think of the deadlift in terms of being a 'low back exercise'. While the musculature of the low back is certainly involved, that very narrow perspective limits the usefulness and effectice ness of deadlifting consistently. The lift should be initiated by the hips and thighs and finshed with the assistance of low back muscles. Stabilizing the weight and controlling one'sbody position also calls upon the traps, scapulae retractors, lats, forearms, and hamstrings." Hugh Cassidy, powerlifting world champion of the early seventies, also believed the deadlift was the best abdominal exercise, bar none. It may make little sense to you right now, but once you work up to an appreciable poundage, you will easily relate to that statement. Wow, thats alot to type. I hope you guys find this helpful, because that took way too long to copy. -------------- The best feeling in the world is the feeling you get after a tough set of squats after you step back from the power rack and throw up all over the floor.
gatormade Posts: 1,355 Joined: 2003/10/01	2005/08/07, 11:31 PM I love deadlifting! It is a full body exercise.
Am30 Posts: 69 Joined: 2004/11/28	2005/09/13, 08:34 PM i am having trouble increasing my deadlift. right now i am at 395 and i cant get get any higer for the life of me.here are my sets 135 x 10 (warm up) 275 x 6 315 x 5 375 x 3 385 x 2 any help is much apreceated -------------- -Andrew
wrestler125 Posts: 4,619 Joined: 2004/01/27	2005/09/14, 12:33 AM theres not much you can tell from looking at your sets. I think that for the deadlift, the reps are a bit high. Many powerlifters rarely do anything but singles as far as the deadlift is concerned. Also, be careful not to overtrain the deadlift,. It is an exercise that is very easy to overtrain. Try speed deadlifts, or read anyone of the 198 posts before yours. There are lots of great tips. Train the posterior chain. Goodmornings are probably one of the best exercises you can do for your deadlift. Also, where do you fail? By diagnosing your problem, we can better strengthen your weaknesses. -------------- Your two most important minerals: Iron and Chalk. If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous.
Am30 Posts: 69 Joined: 2004/11/28	2005/09/14, 06:30 PM thank you wrestler, i have read the posts many times but havent tried em dont really know why? i fail just before lock out. when i tried 405 i missed it by like 2 inches. -------------- -Andrew
Am30 Posts: 69 Joined: 2004/11/28	2005/09/16, 07:24 PM any suggestions? -------------- -Andrew
wrestler125 Posts: 4,619 Joined: 2004/01/27	2005/09/17, 01:44 AM Failing at the lockout in the Deadlift can be indicative of two things: weak glutes and posterior chain, or tight hip flexors. Train your posterior chain, and stretch your hip flexors. Also, practice rack lockouts in the deadlift. -------------- Your two most important minerals: Iron and Chalk. If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous.
Am30 Posts: 69 Joined: 2004/11/28	2005/09/17, 03:07 PM thanks -------------- -Andrew
gatormade Posts: 1,355 Joined: 2003/10/01	2005/09/23, 12:34 AM Train your low back and abs with heavy weights. Train your hamstrings with RDLs, Glute ham raises, PB leg curls, Good mornings, and any other hamstring exercise that will tax the crap out of them. Box squatting is also great for your deadlift. I pull 700lbs and the thing I do most is box squat and work on the things I mention here.
Jordan70 Posts: 31 Joined: 2005/10/26	2005/10/30, 04:32 AM Damn, I gotta start deadlifting again.
wrestler125 Posts: 4,619 Joined: 2004/01/27	2005/10/30, 08:23 PM damn, i cant wait till i CAN deadlift and boxsquat again. one more week in the "injury" mini cycle, and then its off to a two week lower body mini cycle. I am so excited. -------------- The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over. ~~~Hunter S. Thompson If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous.
Oriani Posts: 7 Joined: 2005/06/05	2005/11/01, 09:31 PM Hey I just need some help to break the 500 mark with my deadlift. I have just been stuck at 495 forever.I Any suggestions on what i should do? Backround Info: 5'8 165lbs 15yrs old Bench:305(no shirt) Squat:345(loose belt and loose knee wraps) Deadlift:495(I pull sumo and little slower at the bottom)
7707mutt Posts: 7,686 Joined: 2002/06/18	2005/11/02, 12:19 PM here we go -------------- Less Talk, More Chalk! 7707mutt@freetrainers.com
wrestler125 Posts: 4,619 Joined: 2004/01/27	2005/11/02, 01:39 PM should i even bother???
	2005/11/02, 01:42 PM I hate deadlifts. I have always hated deadlifts. I will always hate deadlifts. I do them because you guys shame me into doing them. I hate all of you. -------------- Sometimes life is like herding cats. Charlie
wrestler125 Posts: 4,619 Joined: 2004/01/27	2005/11/02, 06:57 PM WE :love: CHARLIE! -------------- The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over. ~~~Hunter S. Thompson If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous.
7707mutt Posts: 7,686 Joined: 2002/06/18	2005/11/02, 09:52 PM All I am saying is at 15 he has a total that is inbetween class1 and class 2. Hell his total is only 90lbs short of mine. I just find it hard to believe after trying for higher numbers how hard it is and how dedicated you need to be to get it. I find it very hard to believe that a 15 year old had had training time to hit it. -------------- Less Talk, More Chalk! 7707mutt@freetrainers.com
wrestler125 Posts: 4,619 Joined: 2004/01/27	2005/11/03, 12:09 AM And he has already broken 3 national records (deadlift, bench, and total) in his age group, one by almost 100 pounds, WITHOUT a shirt. I'm not even going to bother saying anything, unless he wishes to state his name and the competition that he set these records in. i also think its fishy that he has a 350 lb squat with a 500lb deadlift. It happens, but not often. Also, he's 5'8" and pulls sumo??? Why??? And if there is a reason, then why is he pulling sumo and still having trouble getting the weight off the ground. That's not a problem many sumo style lifters have. Almost all sumo pullers have trouble with the lockout, not the pull. -------------- The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over. ~~~Hunter S. Thompson If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous.

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