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2005/11/03, 12:17 AM
Gee y'all I didn't notice oriani's post. I just realized I never answered the question Gator posed. After reading mutt's post and young wrestler's post I 've decided oriani was a 1 hit wonder and may have been full of shit....just a guess, I'm not the sharpest tack in the box.
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2005/11/07, 01:28 PM
I superset singles or doubles of speed deadlift with doubles or triples on a box jump or broad jump. I also stand on 20 kg plates and pull from there. Box squatting helps with pulling from the floor if you set your box up at parallel or slighlty below. I also do a lot of low back and hamstring and glute work. My speed always helps me get through my sticking point.
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2005/11/07, 05:49 PM
i do alot of below parrallel box squating and i also do heavy partials with bands and pull off a 4in box i also do alot of shrugs(kelso shrug book)my weak point i think could be my abs but im not sure i do alot of leg press to get that power at the bottom and i also work my hips on the leg press where i pause all the way at the bottom for a 3 count and then push it up my abs consist of heavy throw downs with 20pound ankle weight(40 together)and leg raises and such..gator what do you do for abs?
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2005/11/06, 12:22 AM
Hey guys you think iam full of shit...thats great...i never competed in usapl i was told i should but i do it from me not other people. my 305 bench was not a paused one and it was after a week i took off so it was a big pr for me.Wrestler i pull both my sumo is just 25pounds more than my conventional and my squat is horrible because in 8th grade i poped my knee out and its never been the same. The reason i have a great deadlift is because train with a strongman and other powerlifters in ohio. and its not like i just turned 15 i turn 16 in january and have been doing powerlifting work outs for almost 2 years. so yeah im a pretty strong kid but you shouldnt doubt me. Any other questions?
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2005/11/06, 06:32 AM
BS! no way you started at 13/14 and are lifting that.
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2005/11/06, 11:23 AM
why cant i? if you think you cant you wont..but buddy i bust my ass in the gym 6days a week with high intensity work outs and your doubting me? oh and how come i cant improve that much when i train with powerlifters that pull 700+(jeremy hartman)to push me to my limit every time i hit the weights,so i dont get it why you can just limit me by my age
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2005/11/08, 06:25 PM
I do heavy decline sit-ups with 3 45 lb plates for sets of 10 or with 2 100lb plates for sets of 5. HEAVY ABS are very important for heavy deadlifts and squats. I also do heavy back hypers. I love to glute ham raises with a plate or a band. Heavy medicine ball tosses help too.
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2005/11/06, 02:43 PM
LOL whatever I will not get drawn into a pissing contest with you. I know MEN that have been training for years those who compete nationally and can not do what you claim to do. I am always skeptic of those with less than 3 years of training coming on here claime numbers such as yours. I have been on this board an others for years, isn't it funny that these claims such as yours come from kids under the age of 17?
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2005/11/06, 02:58 PM
i would doubt you BECAUSE you bust your ass 6 days a week. no one trains for powerlifting 6 days a week, its too much for the nervous system.
i also would like to know why your the only deadlifter i have ever heard of that pulls sumo and has a slow start. doesn't make sense in my head.
Id also like to know why someone your height would train sumo at all...
You come to the board claiming to have broken 3 world class records, with only 2 years of training, you better expect to be called out on. If you can't back your shit up, then shut up. I asked your name, I know who jeremy hartman is because i have been to columbus, and If you were shit, then I would have heard. Ive been to columbus to see how westside trains at a seminar. Jeremy was there, but I think if he was training such a child prodigy, I KNOW there would have been mention.
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The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over. ~~~Hunter S. Thompson
If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous.
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2005/11/06, 04:09 PM
THANK YOU. I have seen dozens of thses post over the years and not one can back it up they always have excuses. I called him out cause I LOVE this sport and hate false claims! Hell at my weight I should claim at least 150-200lbd more per lift. But I am dead honest truthfull.
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2005/11/06, 07:16 PM
hey wreslter i dont train powerlifting all 6 days only 4 the 2 other are my conditioning days. i also dont train at westside i train at elite and also why would jeremy talk about me when he knows i wont do usapl.next time i pull off the floor ill take pictures.im not bullshiting about this why would i?oh and wrestler im sure your the expert on deadlifting right?and also mutt what makes you mister deadlift and trying to tell me that im wrong and im alittle slower at the bottom because it is 495pounds its not like its speed deadlift...i work my ass off and you guys are trying to take that away from me..i have a 300pound standing goodmorning and a 255sitting i also train with bands and chains,i pin pull over 5 on the first pin which the weight sits about 2inches above the ground so i just dont get why its hard to believe
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2005/11/06, 08:21 PM
<YAWN>
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2005/11/06, 08:38 PM
im telling you that there I have yet to see an elite level powerlifter out there that has trouble getting it off the floor while pulling sumo. Every deadlifter I have ever seen that pulls sumo has trouble with lockout, not off the floor. Also, when someone is breaking records like that, word spreads. I dont want a picture... I want to read your name in USAPL...
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The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over. ~~~Hunter S. Thompson
If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous.
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2005/11/06, 08:40 PM
and as for me being the deadlifting expert, i dont have to bullshit and pretend im asking for advice just to get ppl to notice me. why else would you post here with claims like that while "asking for advice", especially while your training with jeremy. I would turn to him for advice.
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The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over. ~~~Hunter S. Thompson
If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous.
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2005/11/06, 09:14 PM
haha why would i want to get noticed by you guys?and jeremy is at college...its not that i have trouble its just slow i want to pull it faster because if i pull it faster i will have more confidence to move the weight up..as for usapl there is a posibility for it just have to keep my weight steady to compete and go back to the basics but i just like to keep my mind on football
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2005/11/06, 11:41 PM
ok, then you do that... just no one here wants to hear it...
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2005/11/17, 01:57 AM
DEADLIFTING
By Eric Dodd
My legs sprawled out from the bench where I sit
While I soak in my sweat and tongue out the grit
From my molars and savor each second of rest
Before I return for a personal best
I imagine each subsequent part of my set-up
Chalk my torn palms before stooping to get up
Trudge back toward the bar across the gym floor
A dejected ex-lover who's come back for more
I step to the weight as if starting a fight
My body resilient, my fists clenched tight
Lower myself in a humble bow
To a weight never moved-at least until now
I push back the caution and doubt that I've felt
Unleashing Hell as I fasten my belt
Seizing the bar with resolute hands
Eschewing stares from those who don't understand
Look up and tense through my heels to the ground
Pulling with madness, head up and butt down
The bar flexes upward then cracks off the floor
The weight lumbers, slumbers, encumbers me more
And as I strain through the physical strife
I loose sight of time and the bland chores of life
For this is my passion, though extreme in degree
And yes most wouldn't guess, as the bar clears my knees,
That I'm feeling such joy by God's own grace
Behind this beat-red frown on my face
And with every inch the bar crawls up my thighs
With every groan and pain-laden cry
With every moment the iron yields to me
Without a doubt, I am truly free
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Yes I realize my shins are bleeding. And its called a deadlift. Any other questions???
If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous.
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2005/11/17, 08:52 AM
SWEET!
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2005/11/17, 03:56 PM
oops got logged out...
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2005/11/17, 08:47 PM
null i train both sumo and coventional, but it just happends to be that my sumo is more than my conventional and i fell more confident pulling sumo
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2005/11/17, 09:06 PM
well then do what feels more natural to you....
So try out my suggestion ...it will feel like the weight is flying off the floor afterwards...but it will kill you u at first...
good luck...and take all the criticism in stride...
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2005/12/31, 12:37 PM
http://www.freetrainers.com/FT/jsp/Message.jsp?f_ix=23&t_ix=34
was wondering points #2 and 8 specifically
I have a tendency to round my upper back(shoulder come forward) when going heavy and have been told that it's a mistake....but yet #2 says that it's in fact the correct way of doing it?
#8
I pretty much always break this rule...don't understand it...
I also come very close to the bar, maybe inch away....
thought we could dicuss these issues....
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2006/01/18, 01:44 PM
how does 560 sound at 148?
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2006/01/19, 08:15 PM
phenomenal? you got a video of u pulling that?
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2006/01/19, 11:19 PM
Sounds like that would be enough to place you in the top of your weight class at nationals.
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2006/01/20, 02:34 PM
what nationals meet are you talking about? that was about 4 years ago at a junior meet in chicago. i'm up to 160 now, and haven't pulled much lately. I'm in the process of losing some weight and getting back in shape. and a video? it's on video somewhere.
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2006/01/20, 04:51 PM
Im taking about THE USAPL nationals. That would either win it, or place you somewhere at the top.
At a junior meet? Allow me to express some disbelief.
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2006/01/20, 05:25 PM
AHHHHBULLSHITCHHOOO!
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Less Talk, More Chalk!
The Men and Boys are Separated by one thing: The Squat Cage!
7707mutt@freetrainers.com
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2006/01/20, 06:40 PM
I trully don't care enough to question his statement....hell if he said 1000 that wouldn't even phase me....whatever..
oh man, just noticed the 'junior' part.....fine 2000.....good job....
I also perfectly believe that he can hoist a car over his head and twirl it on 1 finger....ok 2...doesn't every1?
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2006/01/21, 10:49 PM
look at the usapl page. 2001 juniors. see if anyone did 562. i'm pretty sure that that is my name on there. anybody know of any powerlifting gyms in the shreveport area.
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2006/01/22, 12:36 AM
Nope, not 562. Although you have to appreciate the fact that if this guy is serious, that I called that one perfectly off the top of my head. Damn I'm good. I even picked out the meet.
As for powerlifting gyms, best thing to do would be ask around. Usually you can find people that train in their garage/basement as a team. This is usually the best option for a powerlifter.
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2006/01/22, 01:16 AM
http://usapowerlifting.com/results/2001/2001JuniorMensNationals.shtml
There is the website. I am actually listed as a 60kg, but I was at 67.5. I was just asking cause i've been out of the powerlifting loop for a while. Wanted to know how that would have stacked up for today.
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2006/02/14, 08:22 PM
Hey Guys, I just joined yesterday, I have been looking for a forum for weight lifting freaks just like me for a long time.
Well lets see, I am a 17 year old senior in Upstate NY.
I weigh 158, my max bench is 240, max squat is 365, max deadlift is 405. I picked up weights around ninth grade, not much just some dumbells. I started going to the gym everyday since 10th grade and weightlifting is all I think about.
Well it was nice meeting you guys, you guys know alot about weightlifting this was a great find.
Btw...I have a push/pull tournament on March 4th, I am going to enter in the 165 wt class, my bench is fine for it, but I am a little iffy about my deadlift. Last year, the highest deadlift in my wt class was 410, is there a way i can get to atleast 415 by March 4th. I should get +10 or 15 cause of my adreniline rush, but i want to make sure. I really want to win first, I have trained so hard for 3 years now and this is my first tournament. By the way, my name is Mo.
And yeah, deadlifts are the shit.
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2006/02/21, 07:04 PM
:angry: yea dude!!! you guys have me psyched about the deadlift now man.... i've never been soo excited about lifting in my life i can't wait until i get paid so i can open my gym membership!!!!! :angry: ( notes changes the angry face to a psyched face)
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2006/04/21, 03:54 PM
It is the king of the lifts.
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2006/04/22, 11:52 AM
I'm setting a goal of a 3X bodyweight deadlift. I'm putting it here, so you guys can't let me forget it. I last pulled 405 the strongman competition at 155, and have been pulling 365 in training consistantly. I think I can get 450 @ 150.
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Iron and chalk.
Pain is only temporary, it is in your mind. If you can still walk, then you can still run.
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2006/04/23, 11:01 AM
Good Luck. That is a great goal.
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2006/04/25, 06:31 PM
dude... thats an awesome goal... i would love to hit 3x my weight. i just hit 355x3 sumo today which is an unbelievable PR jump... but either way i dont think i am anywhere near the 600 to triple...
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2006/11/25, 08:59 AM
If you ain't deadlifting or squating you ain't lifting. So as my training once tolde me shut and lift!
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2006/12/12, 02:58 PM
The Deadlift is not a Dead Lift
by Mark Philippi, from Peakhealth.com
The deadlift is an exercise that has unfairly received a bad reputation with the general population. Very seldom does someone ask you how much you can deadlift. It is rarely taught to clientele in the health club setting and most gyms seldom have a platform area designated for deadlifting. The deadlift has been performed mostly by powerlifters, hard core garage lifters, and bodybuilders looking to venture into the strength arena.
The average public perceives deadlifting with similar false stigmas to that of squatting. Squatting will hurt my knees; deadlifting will hurt my back. Both myths have taken hold due to bad technique and poor form when performing the lifts. There are few poor lifts, only poor lifting technique.
In reality, most everyone who is interested in weight training should perform the deadlift. A weak back makes us more susceptible to injury on a daily basis. How many times do you bend to lift objects during the average day? Most spinal specialists would agree that if you examined the backs of middle aged Americans, you would probably find an accumulation of spinal problems through the course of one's lifetime. I would also venture to say a large percentage of workman's compensation claims are filed because of back injuries. Prevention lies in strengthening the back. The deadlift is the best exercise for total back strengthening; its focus is the body's core - legs, hips, and back. It is also the best test of total body absolute strength, much more than the bench press or squat. The deadlift is also one of the best exercises to add total body mass. Individuals wanting to add mass should seriously consider about adding the deadlift to your workout program. The deadlift "thickens" the body.
There is more to performing the deadlift than walking up to a bar and picking it up. It is not as technically complex as a clean or snatch, and every bit as problematic as the squat. There are two standard styles of deadlifting: conventional - feet narrower than shoulders, and sumo - feet wider than shoulders. The style that fits most people comfortably is the conventional. It also has more carryover to daily activity.
Positioning
Let's start with foot placement. Feet should be placed at armpit width with toes slightly out. Shins will be placed next to the bar. The majority of the bodyweight should begin on the balls of the feet with a transfer to the heels through lockout. The hands should grasp the bar with an over / under grip with the arms outside the knees. The legs should be bent to the "power position"; approximately 60 degrees from vertical with the hips lower than the shoulders. Your head should be looking forward in a neutral position. The chest should be forward, not down. Shoulders should be squeezed tightly back and positioned directly over the bar. Do not round the shoulders, as more force will then be applied to the back.
Beginning the Lift
The deadlift when executed correctly is a push from the floor followed by a pull to a locked out position. The force distribution on the feet places the force on the balls of the feet during the initial push off the ground followed by a transfer to the heel as the bar passes the knees and into lockout. As the bar breaks the ground, the hips must be in the power position although before starting the lift, they can be anywhere that is comfortable. This means there must be a focus on bending the knees and using the legs to drive. Do not let the legs lock out prematurely thereby placing more strain on the back. Always keep the chest above the hips. The bar should just brush the shins when leaving the ground. Try to accelerate the bar from the ground. The faster the bar moves past the knees, the easier the lockout. As the bar passes the knees, drive the head back helping your hip lockout as well. Do not hyperextend the back at lockout. Upon completion of the deadlift, return the bar to the platform slowly and under control. Do not slam the weights off the ground. Be in good position to start another rep, maintaining tightness throughout the body. Pause before starting the next rep, allow the reps to be momentum free. Do not bounce off of the ground.
Routines
The deadlift can be used to develop work capacity, build mass, or increase strength. I believe for most people, keeping routines basic is the best way. I believe heavy deadlifting once per week is sufficient for developing strength. If a second workout per week is desired, it should be kept lighter, concentrating on form, technique, and speed of movement.
Initially it is important to develop work capacity. This will facilitate quicker recovery in your workouts. This means utilizing 3 to 5 sets of 8 to 10 reps, weights approximately 50 to 65% of 1rm, and relatively short rest periods of no more than 90 to 120 seconds. If technique breaks down during a set, stop and add another set; ie. 4 sets of 10 reps = 40 total reps, go to 5 sets of 8 reps. The work output remains the same.
After work capacity is developed, strength and mass development can take place. I suggest using 3 to 5 sets of 3 to 6 reps, weights approximately 70 to 90% of 1rm. Rest periods can be longer, between 2 and 4 minutes, to facilitate further recovery. Again, if technique breaks down; shorten the set and add another to the workout.
If pure absolute strength is desired, you can add a peaking phase to your routine. Use 1 to 3 sets of singles and doubles between 90 to 100% of 1rm with full recovery between sets. For recovery and overtraining purposes, limit peaking phase to 3 to 4 weeks consecutively.
In the classical periodization model, as the intensity increases, the total work volume decreases. Therefore, volume or "down" sets can be added to keep work capacity high and maintain the training effect.
SAMPLE DEADLIFT PROGRAM
The following is a 10 week sample deadlift program that takes in effect all aspects of the previously mentioned categories: work capacity, strength / mass building, and absolute strength development. It also utilizes drop sets to increase the volume of the workout to keep the training effect. The routine does not include warm up sets.
Week Phase Sets/Reps Rest Interval
1 Work Capacity 10*3 Sets @ 55% 60 Seconds
2 Work Capacity 8*3 Sets @ 65% 60 Seconds
3 Strength Phase 5*3 Sets @ 75% 3 minutes
4 Strength Phase 5*3 Sets @ 80% 3 minutes
5 Strength Phase 3*3 Sets @ 83%, 8*1 Set @ 70% 3 minutes
6 Strenght Phase 3*3 Sets @ 86%, 8*1 Set @ 70% 3 minutes
7 Strength Phase 2*3 Sets @ 89%, 6*1 Set @ 75% 3 minutes
8 Peaking Phase 2*2 Sets @ 92%, 6*1 Set @ 75% 3-5 minutes
9 Peaking Phase 2*2 Sets @ 95%, 5*1 Set @ 80% 3-5 minutes
10 Peaking Phase 1*2 Sets @ 98%, 5*1 Set @ 80% 3-5 minutes
11 Peaking Phase Test or Competition
In closing, the deadlift should be an important part of everyone's workout regimen; it is not just for powerlifters. It strengthens the core of the body; that to which all other parts are connected. Therefore, it is useless to have a big chest and huge pipes if you have a weak back giving you trouble. If properly performed the deadlift is a very safe and effective way to build work capacity, strength and mass. I would recommend that anyone interested in increasing total body strength add the deadlift to his or her workout.
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2006/12/14, 12:47 PM
I can't think of a single reason I wouldn't want to deadlift.
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2006/12/14, 01:48 PM
I have been trying to figure out if I have early stages of tendonitis. I have a pain right above my elbow near the end of bicep (so it is on the inside of my elbow). For the most part, it only happens during pushing motions and only when using heavy weights, specifically bench in all forms. Overhead press and rows hurts a little sometimes. The pain goes away shortly after a workout and never bothers me the next day. It seems to be getting less severe, but I have cut out all isolated arm movements. I hypothesize that I might be bending my wrists to much in my pressing movements. What do you people think.
Hey wrestler, I am about that height and like to pull sumo for the following reasons:
It is easier for me to keep my back strait. My hips are a little tight, so it hard for me to get low enough to grab the bar with bending my back a little.
I have a weakness in my glutes and hamstrings and sumo works really good at targeting them, at least more so than conv. in my experience. I have also been doing box squats to help my weakness.
Eventually, I will try training conv., but until i loosen up a bit, I will continue with sumos.
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And he has already broken 3 national records (deadlift, bench, and total) in his age group, one by almost 100 pounds, WITHOUT a shirt.
I'm not even going to bother saying anything, unless he wishes to state his name and the competition that he set these records in.
i also think its fishy that he has a 350 lb squat with a 500lb deadlift. It happens, but not often.
Also, he's 5'8" and pulls sumo??? Why??? And if there is a reason, then why is he pulling sumo and still having trouble getting the weight off the ground. That's not a problem many sumo style lifters have. Almost all sumo pullers have trouble with the lockout, not the pull.
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2006/12/14, 04:33 PM
Sorry, that first part was suposed to be in another post. I was cut and past happy
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2006/12/14, 09:12 PM
You're about what height, you come up to my chin dude... Your back looked pretty straight to me today...
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2006/12/14, 09:17 PM
Oh, I get it...
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2006/12/15, 09:18 AM
the only thing i dont like about that is the reps they prescribe. i dont normally go over 3 unless im doing somethin like RDL or SLDL, in which case i might go higher.
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2007/05/18, 08:19 AM
Bump because I love them
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Curl Jockeys, get outta the squat rack!
I wish everyone would get a partial amnesia and never use 'tone' ever again. (thanks Menance)
7707mutt@freetrainers.com
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2007/05/18, 12:44 PM
Picking a weight off the ground is what weightlifting is all about.
Put a weight on the ground, pick it up. Thats it. Gravity will even return it for you.
I'll be picking the weight off the ground in many ways tonight.
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Mortal by birth.
Strongman by the grace of god.
Blood Guts Sweat Chalk
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2008/01/22, 09:17 PM
i could be considers nerdy looking i am only 14 and i love seeing older and younger people faces when i do more than them or prove them wrong when i pull a large amount of weight off the ground.
p.s. my max is 350 hopefully its 400 by the middle of feb.:laugh::dumbbell:
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2009/04/24, 12:43 PM
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i could be considers nerdy looking i am only 14 and i love seeing older and younger people faces when i do more than them or prove them wrong when i pull a large amount of weight off the ground.
p.s. my max is 350 hopefully its 400 by the middle of feb.:laugh::dumbbell:
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How much do you weigh?
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Deadlift; why we do it
